Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 17:11 UTC, submitted by linuxmag
Linux "Btrfs holds the promise of giving Linux many enterprise class file system features similar to ZFS but with even more features and better performance. In fact, many Linux experts think that btrfs is one of the keys to the future of Linux. While btrfs is not quite ready to be your only file system, it is in the kernel ready for testing and is still undergoing very heavy development. In this article we will introduce the key features of btrfs find out how it compares to existing file systems."
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RE: BetterFS
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:33 UTC in reply to "BetterFS"
Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

Chris Mason, the project lead, has said that he prefers to pronounce btrfs "Better FS". I thought sure that would catch on. It's catchy and positive. How in the world did this "Butter FS" pronunciation become so popular?


The pronunciation as "butter" comes from trying to pronounce "btr". In English, and many related languages, the voiced bilabial plosive ("b") ends in a closed back rounded vowel ("u").

Dude, common knowledge.

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by Soulbender on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:37 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Only pronouncing "btr" sounds more like better than butter. The letter b is usually pronounced "be" not "bu".

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RE[3]: BetterFS
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:40 in reply to "RE[2]: BetterFS"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

That depends on what type you mean. If you spell it out like b-t-r, it becomes "be". If you pronounce it "btr", it becomes "bu".

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RE[3]: BetterFS
by Tuxie on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 19:31 in reply to "RE[2]: BetterFS"
Tuxie Member since:
2009-04-22

The letter "b" is pronounced as "bee" so BitterFS should be the most appropriate pronounciation...

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RE[3]: BetterFS
by Luminair on Thu 23rd Apr 2009 20:40 in reply to "RE[2]: BetterFS"
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2007-03-30

no, thom is right, why are you arguing this, did you think everyone said butterfs because of a signal from god instead?

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by sbergman27 on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 19:21 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Dude, common knowledge.

The pronunciation issue is not worth a long back and forth flame war. But...

Dude, my native language is English. And I disagree. "Better FS" is just as natural a pronunciation. It's the pronunciation preferred by the filesystem's author, which is significant. If you said that Thom Holwerda, as a proper noun, should be pronounced "Baked Beans", that carries some weight, despite anyone else's opinion as to whether it makes sense or not. (Common knowledge.) And "Better FS" is better PR, to boot.

Edited 2009-04-22 19:23 UTC

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RE[3]: BetterFS
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 20:10 in reply to "RE[2]: BetterFS"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You completely missed the point of my post.

You asked why the pronunciation "butter" stuck instead of "better" - not which of the two is more fitting or preferred by the author, or what makes more sense.

I'm simply stating that a very logical reason why "butter" sticks (...) is because of the phonology of English; ask any random English-speaking person in the UK or the US to pronounce "btr" as one word (instead of spelling it out), they'll say something like "butr", simply because the phonology of English leads to people adding a closed back rounded vowel ("u") between a voiced bilabial plosive ("b") and a voicless alveolar plosive ("t").

Why? It's more logical if you look at the shape of the mouth and tongue going from "b" to "t". Adding an "e" between the "b" and a "t" requires slightly more effort. Phonology is fun, isn't it? ;)

My remark about common knowledge was obviously in jest.

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RE[3]: BetterFS
by WereCatf on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 20:26 in reply to "RE[2]: BetterFS"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Dude, my native language is English. And I disagree. "Better FS" is just as natural a pronunciation

I agree, both ButterFS and BetterFS are logical and natural pronunciations for English speakers.

For me (I happen to be from Finland and we say "B" similarly to as you'd pronounce "be" in "beta") BetterFuss sounds natural ;)

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by tyrione on Thu 23rd Apr 2009 11:52 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"Chris Mason, the project lead, has said that he prefers to pronounce btrfs "Better FS". I thought sure that would catch on. It's catchy and positive. How in the world did this "Butter FS" pronunciation become so popular?


The pronunciation as "butter" comes from trying to pronounce "btr". In English, and many related languages, the voiced bilabial plosive ("b") ends in a closed back rounded vowel ("u").

Dude, common knowledge.
"

Common knowledge that Btr phonetically sounds like butter, in English? Or do you mean UK English?

How about they just named it BTFS ala Binary-tree Filesystem? Too UPS for them?

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RE[3]: BetterFS
by Soulbender on Thu 23rd Apr 2009 18:02 in reply to "RE[2]: BetterFS"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

How about they just named it BTFS


Nah, that will become ButtFS.
Dude, common knowledge.

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