Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th May 2009 09:53 UTC
Two weekends ago, Apple accused Psystar of withholding information in the ongoing lawsuit between the two companies, and the Cupertino company asked the judge to order Psystar to reveal said information. Psystar replied, explaining that some documents simply did not exist, and some were lost during a move of offices. Apparently, judge Alsup wasn't impressed with the defence, and sided with Apple.
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RE: Psystar's business causing Apple damages
by mercury on Wed 13th May 2009 11:04
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Psystar itself doesn't really matter much but if they win this case it will mean that any clone wanna'be could enter the market and really cause Apple some damage. Which makes you wonder; what is in it for PsyStar if their currently exclusive market becomes crowded? Do you think they would still do well if Dell or HP brought out mac clones? I don't believe for a minute that PsyStar are purely looking out for our interests - so who's interests are they serving?
RE[2]: Psystar's business causing Apple damages
by WereCatf on Wed 13th May 2009 11:38
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I don't believe for a minute that PsyStar are purely looking out for our interests - so who's interests are they serving?
Maybe, just maybe, they're just trying to earn a little money by selling clones and as such they're just looking out for their own interests? Oh, but hell no, of course every is out to destroy Apple...
RE[2]: Psystar's business causing Apple damages
by alcibiades on Wed 13th May 2009 15:35
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Psystar itself doesn't really matter much but if they win this case it will mean that any clone wanna'be could enter the market and really cause Apple some damage.
This is missing the point. It is not really about Apple. This is strange from the perspective of the Mac community, but its true.
It is about what restrictions a supplier of software in general can place on the software that he sells at retail. If Apple loses, it will be lawful to disregard the EULA clause and install on the hardware of one's choice. By extension, such restrictions as the ability of MS to forbid one in the EULA from installing Office under Wine will also become unenforceable.
If Apple wins, anything goes. A software supplier can now dictate what hardware one installs on, and what software is permitted to be there at the time or installed later. Consider: MS could stipulate that if Open Office is installed, you may not install Office, and if Office is installed you may not install Open Office. Maybe that you may not install Office if you have any installations of OO anywhere on the LAN? Maybe you cannot install Office if you have any desktop Linux installs anywhere in the company?
This is absurd you say. The reply will be, in true Apple style, you don't like it, don't install it. You click through that EULA and you have signed a contract which is enforceable in law.
This is why this thing is not about Apple, and not about OSX. Its about our intellectual freedom.
RE: Psystar's business causing Apple damages
by testman on Wed 13th May 2009 11:37
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RE[2]: Psystar's business causing Apple damages
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 13th May 2009 11:39
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RE[2]: Psystar's business causing Apple damages
by Laurence on Wed 13th May 2009 12:11
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Apple knows all this, they just don't like to have a new player on the turf they've previously had all to themselves.
Nor do they care to have the product of millions of their dollars in R&D used against them.
Their R&D?
Last time I checked they didn't own Intel, Weston Digitial nor any of the other companies that Apple buys it's hardware from.
Psystar are using components available 'off the shelf', so no Apple R&D there.
They're even buying copies of Apple's OS in much the same way as they would if they were a Windows OEM. So they're paying for the R&D of the software.
All Apple are loosing out on is:
* the mark up on components (and if that's really harmful to the software R&D, then Apple should raise the price of 'off the shelf' software discs),
* and end user support (but then that's not an issue either as Apple are not paying their employees to answer Hackintosh queries - so no expenditure there)
As for this specific article. I think it's disgusting that Apple are allowed to time waste and blow smoke like this. Just get on with the court case already and stop trying to run your competitors into the ground with expensive and unnecessary red-tape.
Edited 2009-05-13 12:13 UTC
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Psystar's business is causing Apple damages
When a new player enters the turf and is actually even a little bit successfull then of course it is "causing damage" to the old players as lost profit. That's just plain common sense.
And I doubt PsyStar intends to cause any other "damage" than what Apple loses by some select customers going for a clone instead. It just wouldn't be in PsyStar's own best interest; they'd lose their whole market if Apple made OSX freely useable on any hardware, they'd lose their whole market if Apple somehow managed to restrict OSX to only Apple-approved hardware, and so on..
And I don't believe for a second that there were some big companies funding PsyStar just so they could damage Apple. I mean, how much damage could a small hardware vendor do to a multi-billion corporate when they don't even own the OS on the hardware they're selling? They can only make a dent in Apple computers sold, nothing, NOTHING else. So what would any such mysterious companies behind PsyStar benefit from it?
Apple knows all this, they just don't like to have a new player on the turf they've previously had all to themselves.