Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 26th May 2009 12:30 UTC
Windows The geek world might be all over Windows 7, and the rest of the world might be sticking to Windows XP for now, but there is also this Windows Vista operating system lingering around. Microsoft has just released the final version of the second service pack for Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008.
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"geek world might be all over Windows 7"
by WereCatf on Tue 26th May 2009 12:51 UTC
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

The geek world might be all over Windows 7

Not the whole geek world as I consider myself a part of it. I downloaded and installed Win7 and overall it seemed quite good. It was reasonably snappy, it installed without a hitch keeping my WinXP installation intact and so on. So, at first I was rather positively impressed.

Then came the downhill; even after setting the resolution to 1280x1024 the whole thing seemed to waste huge amounts of screen real-estate. And neither of my soundcards are supported, and probably never will be either. SB Live! and SoundMax AD1888 don't have digitally signed drivers available and there is no way to force Win7 to accept non-signed ones, and I am not going to buy new soundcards just because an OS refuses to accept what I have.

So yeah, Win7 fails for me. But if all of your hardware does have such digitally signed drivers available then Win7 could be a good way to go.

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kurgan2001 Member since:
2008-12-31

The geek world might be all over Windows 7

Not the whole geek world as I consider myself a part of it. I downloaded and installed Win7 and overall it seemed quite good. It was reasonably snappy, it installed without a hitch keeping my WinXP installation intact and so on. So, at first I was rather positively impressed.

Then came the downhill; even after setting the resolution to 1280x1024 the whole thing seemed to waste huge amounts of screen real-estate. And neither of my soundcards are supported, and probably never will be either. SB Live! and SoundMax AD1888 don't have digitally signed drivers available and there is no way to force Win7 to accept non-signed ones, and I am not going to buy new soundcards just because an OS refuses to accept what I have.

So yeah, Win7 fails for me. But if all of your hardware does have such digitally signed drivers available then Win7 could be a good way to go.


Yeah .. SB Live! drivers are kinda hard to come by .. I ditched using a separate sound card close to 5 years ago and started using the onboard. Imho, onboard sound is just as good as the separate cards, but I'm not an audiophile either.

The soundmax one though is a different story .. it's onboard right? so you should be able to at least find vista drivers that will install on windows 7 ... I tried that when I first installed the beta and used the disk that came with my mobo with vista drivers and 7 used those just fine.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

SoundMax is a world of hurt on Windows Vista. You generally can get basic stereo output, but that's it. They have no proper Vista drivers, so Microsoft made one.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

And neither of my soundcards are supported, and probably never will be either. SB Live! and SoundMax AD1888 don't have digitally signed drivers available and there is no way to force Win7 to accept non-signed ones, and I am not going to buy new soundcards just because an OS refuses to accept what I have.


If I had posted a comment in response to a new version of a Linux distro being released and called it a failure for not supporting all my hardware, I'd get at least 900 replies that it is the hardware vendor's fault for not providing up to date drivers. In this case, I agree with them, especially when it comes to Creative... they seem notoriously bad about not releasing drivers for newer Windows versions in hopes that you'll go out and buy one of their latest cards.

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leech Member since:
2006-01-10

There is kind of a logical reason for this.

Under Windows you are talking a closed source development model, so really you can only blame the hardware vendor or Microsoft for not having the drivers available. Most people blame Microsoft, because they are the giant and should have more control.

With Linux, it really is the Hardware Vendor that the fault lies upon, because if they don't make the driver themselves, they have the possibility of just releasing specs (whether under NDA or not) to someone in the Linux community and then the driver will be created.

When there is no available specs, then the driver has to be reverse engineered, which in many cases is pointless, because by the time the driver is in a usable state, the hardware itself is mostly obsolete.

I mostly agree though that the Hardware Vendors should be the ones to blame 75% of the time on Windows. The other 25% of the time it's because Microsoft has changed their driver model (like what happened when Win2k was released, as well as Vista).

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

If I had posted a comment in response to a new version of a Linux distro being released and called it a failure for not supporting all my hardware, I'd get at least 900 replies that it is the hardware vendor's fault for not providing up to date drivers.

I did mention that besides lacking the drivers it seems to actually work quite peachy and I was rather impressed. I didn't call Win7 a failure except for my personal case. And I didn't blame Microsoft for lacking the drivers either. It IS Creative's fault for not updating their drivers, and I don't even know the real manufacturer for those SoundMax chips, but they sure as heck are even worse.

Anyway, I still didn't take time to reboot out of WinXP, but I got yesterday a few priv messages from kurgan2001, and the last one seems interesting: http://www.blogsdna.com/2775/install-unsigned-drivers-on-windows-7-... . So, if you have similar issues as me then you could try that and hopefully it'd work then.

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sumone Member since:
2007-02-11

Only 64-bit forces signed drivers right? And have you tried the trick mentioned here: http://www.minasi.com/newsletters/nws0903.htm ?

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