Linked by Kroc Camen on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 21:07 UTC, submitted by Liquidator
Opera Software Opera have announced the general availability of Opera 10 beta. Opera 10 includes an improved rendering engine Presto v2.2. The beta adds a new default skin and a couple of new features, notably "Turbo", a proxy compressor for dial-up users, and tab previews. The result? Complete fail. Read More for why and a quick screenshot tour. addendum: As an apology to the community for the reckless and inadequate review I will be doing it again, properly, taking into consideration your fine comments.
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 21:44 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Most people who know me know I am a pretty simple man to keep satisified; and it pains me to complain about something that is a fairly basic product that fails to meet what I want, which is namely:

1) I want each tab process isolated - and heck, go one better and have each plugin process isolated as well so that when Flash crashes (which is almost the source of all browser crashes) I don't end up with the whole thing collapsing in a giant screaming heap.

2) Dictionaries; I've never actually seen their dictionaries work properly; be it on Mac, Linux, Solaris or Windows; I want it to work out of the box without any problems.

3) Ugly default font settings on *NIX; is it really so hard to avoid using the ugliest fonts on the system? I'm not asking for much, just some common sense.

4) Website incompatibility; the whole Google-verse is incompatible; not wholesale 'does not work' but things here and there which don't work or when they do work it is very buggy. There are many other websites out there that flat out do not work - whether it is mine or their fault, I don't care. If I can't use that website with your browser - I'm screwed, especially if it is a university related website.

5) Get rid of all the needless crap from it; I don't want a torrent downloader, an email client, IRC client or a extension that aligns my chakras. I just want a browser - ditch the rest and give me just that, a browser with what was mentioned in point (1).

6) A buggy bloated poorly written javascript should not at any time bring down a whole browser; I have seen it occur so many times that it has put me off using Opera.

I am not an opensource freak, a Google fanboy or a Microsoft zealot; all I am asking for is a browser than does what it is supposed to do with minimum fuss and bother. I hardly think my expectations are over the top.

Edited 2009-06-03 21:47 UTC

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Liquidator on Thu 4th Jun 2009 06:09 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

1) I want each tab process isolated


It's being worked on.

2) Dictionaries; I've never actually seen their dictionaries work properly;


It works fine in Opera 10. The English dictionary is installed by default and you can install additional ones. Just right-click a text area to change the language.

4) Website incompatibility; the whole Google-verse is incompatible


I yet have to see an incompatibility with Google web sites. It's thoroughly tested.

5) Get rid of all the needless crap from it; I don't want a torrent downloader, an email client


If you call M2 "crap", then you have not bothered trying it. This is my only explanation. If you don't want all that "crap", you're probably better off with browsers like Chrome, Firefox or IE.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by WereCatf on Thu 4th Jun 2009 07:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

If you call M2 "crap", then you have not bothered trying it. This is my only explanation. If you don't want all that "crap", you're probably better off with browsers like Chrome, Firefox or IE.

I don't want any torrent downloaders or e-mail clients into my browser either. Those are a lot better off as separate apps.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Thu 4th Jun 2009 08:02 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It works fine in Opera 10. The English dictionary is installed by default and you can install additional ones. Just right-click a text area to change the language.


Good, so they've finally fixed it - it doesn't require hoop jumping to get it to recognise the aspell libraries installed. Praise the lord!

I yet have to see an incompatibility with Google web sites. It's thoroughly tested.


How about using more than google.com - try using Blogger's own rich text blog entry tool.

If you call M2 "crap", then you have not bothered trying it. This is my only explanation. If you don't want all that "crap", you're probably better off with browsers like Chrome, Firefox or IE.


Mate, I don't want it - get rid of it. Yet another paragraph from a mouth frothing fanboy whose implicit message is actually, "it is you with the problem kaiwai".

Edited 2009-06-04 08:03 UTC

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by AzureSky on Thu 4th Jun 2009 06:26 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
AzureSky Member since:
2009-06-04

if all you want is a basic browser try dillo or k-meleon they are JUST A BROWSER.

the fact that operas installer is SMALLER then that of FIREFOX or SAFARI or CHROME or IE8 despite all the extra features should tell you something

example

Opera10beta:6.58MB
FireFox 3.5b4:7.62MB
Google Chrome 3.0.182.3 Beta: 9.87MB
Safari 4: 25.5mb(no quicktime)

smallest installer, most features, easiest to tweak and customize, to me thats ALL WIN!!!

this review was/is a JOKE, clearly done by a die hard and lifelong mac user, they are the only ones I hear complaining about everything being overly complicated and customizable Krok needs a fisher price browser thats got like 3 buttons all the size of a quarter :/

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by mbkumar on Fri 5th Jun 2009 19:24 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
mbkumar Member since:
2006-06-28


5) Get rid of all the needless crap from it; I don't want a torrent downloader, an email client, IRC client or a extension that aligns my chakras. I just want a browser - ditch the rest and give me just that, a browser with what was mentioned in point (1).

Lot of people use that supposedly needless crap. I like the opera mail client much better than other mail clients. And I don't have to use two different apps for mailing & browsing. If you don't want to use it, its not in your way when browsing. I don't understand the problem here.

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