Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Jun 2009 22:03 UTC
Windows In a move to basically outflank the EU antitrust investigation, Microsoft has announced that all version of Windows 7 shipped in Europe will not include Internet Explorer 8 by default. This is reminiscent of the Windows XP N editions, which did not include Windows Media Player, but the difference here is that Microsoft will not ship versions of Windows 7 with Internet Explorer 8 in Europe.
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Download a Browser without a browser
by jedimasterk on Fri 12th Jun 2009 01:58 UTC
jedimasterk
Member since:
2006-10-23

So how will European Windows 7 users be able to download an alternate browser without a browser. If IE8 is included but not installed by default. You may still have to install it in order to be able to download Firefox,Opera. etcc. So it sort of defeats the purpose. sure you may need to have a Browser exe on a seperate disc, or flash drive. But will newbees realize this. What if you build your own system or only own one computer and need to re-install Windows 7, but have no browser exe. Things to think about!.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

So how will European Windows 7 users be able to download an alternate browser without a browser. If IE8 is included but not installed by default. You may still have to install it in order to be able to download Firefox,Opera. etcc. So it sort of defeats the purpose. sure you may need to have a Browser exe on a seperate disc, or flash drive. But will newbees realize this. What if you build your own system or only own one computer and need to re-install Windows 7, but have no browser exe. Things to think about!.


There are some points here:

(1) The intent of Microsoft is that, in order to be compliant with competition law, the OEM will offer a choice of browser that is shipped with the system as sold. Microsoft of course hope that OEMs will only ship IE anyway, and given Microsoft's sway over OEMs, that is a quite reasonable hope.

(2) The fact that Windows does not have a decent method to install software, and the method often used is search for software on the web and download executables using a browser ... does not mean that therefore Windows MUST be shipped with a browser. An OEM could easily, for example, ship a new Windows machine with a CD that let users install a browser from a choice: Safari, or Chrome, or Firefox or IE could all be offered on the CD.

(2b) On saner platforms, it is of course possible to install software without a browser being already installed on the system. On Ubuntu, for example, one could install a browser (without using a browser) via any one of (at least) these options:
GUI:
Add/Remove Software
Synaptic
Packagekit

Console:
aptitude
aptitude install firefox
apt-get install firefox

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jedimasterk Member since:
2006-10-23

But what if your not an OEM. Your a simple computer user that wants to build his or her own system living in Europe with a retail copy of Windows 7. You don't own a laptop or another desktop either. You install Windows 7 without a default browser. Now what?. You get prompted to install IE8 . Defeats the purpose!. Now if Microsoft gave you a prompt to either install IE8, Opera, or Firefox. that would be meet the EU demands and not screw the customer. se hwat I'm getting at. I care less about OEM installs, what about computer users who build their own systems or build one for the first time.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

So how will European Windows 7 users be able to download an alternate browser without a browser.


For people stuck with Windows, here is one method that I found:

Start
Run
Cmd
ftp
o
ftp.mozilla.org
anonymous
anonymous
cd pub/firefox/releases
dir
(choose your version)
cd 3.0.9
cd win32
dir
(choose your language)
cd en-US
mget * (easier than typing the full name with escapes)
close
quit
Fir[TAB] (expands to the full name of the setup file)


It is of course much easier than this on other, saner, more functional operating systems.

Edited 2009-06-12 03:45 UTC

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douwel Member since:
2009-06-13

"So how will European Windows 7 users be able to download an alternate browser without a browser.
For people stuck with Windows, here is one method that I found:
Start Run Cmd ftp o ftp.mozilla.org anonymous anonymous cd pub/firefox/releases dir (choose your version) cd 3.0.9 cd win32 dir (choose your language) cd en-US mget * (easier than typing the full name with escapes) close quit Fir[TAB] (expands to the full name of the setup file)
It is of course much easier than this on other, saner, more functional operating systems.
"

Hah! This is what I was looking for (I was trying at ftp.mozilla.com, which doesn't exist). However, it is easier to just use the Windows Explorer. Just type 'ftp.mozilla.org' in the address bar and double-click on the choices you listed. After that, use copy/paste to transfer.

Thanks.

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