Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 13:55 UTC
Internet Explorer Yesterday, Microsoft dropped a bomb by announcing that all versions of Windows 7 released in Europe would ship without Internet Explorer pre-installed. This was in answer to the EU antitrust investigation currently under way regarding possible illegal bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows. The first reactions to this news are coming in, with Opera and the EU both lamenting the move.
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RE: This is ridiculous - not the same
by jabbotts on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:45 UTC in reply to "This is ridiculous"
jabbotts
Member since:
2007-09-06

Open your osX applications folder, select Safari, press delete; it's uninstalled.

Open the Ubuntu package manager, uncheck Firefox, put a check beside your browser of choice; problem solved.

If you forgo the liveCD for a full install disk such as Mandriva Free or Powerpack, you'll have a full list of browsers to choose at the very start; no issue there.

BSDs.. choices yet again during install.

Show me the IE uninstall button that removes more than the icon please.

It's not just a FOSS complaint. 95% market share makes a company a monopoly regardless of the industry or product line. That's not software hippie's making noise; that's law. It's not even inherently illegal unless that legal monopoly status is used for unfair advantage against competitors. "Unfair advantage" being decided by courts of law though the US courts threw out the penalties in the case of Microsoft being found guilty.

As for "it's unbelievably easy", your assuming consumers realize they have any choice at all. When you can walk into your local computer-mart and see the same hardware with three different OS platforms on display; come back and tell us about consumers being educated and having choice.

"In what other industry can a company be forced to promote it's COMPETITOR'S product? It's bullshit that Microsoft is forced into this position."

When you are legally found to be the monopoly position, laws become applicable too you which are not applicable to non-monopoly status. These protect the consumer and the market. Again, this is not "stupid FOSS hippies" thing, it's a legal thing.

Get over your FOSS hate for a second and think this through a little further.

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

"Removes more than the icon"?
Why?
The dlls on which IE is built are part of the Windows API. Are you actually demanding that API that third party apps rely on be removed?

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Ok Captain Fabulous, if it's just the libraries which IE and other programs rely on, why is iexplore.exe still on the system and responding too:

Start -> Run -> iexplore.exe

You'd think that removing through add/remove would result in only the minimal shared DLL left behind not simply having IE step behind the wizard's curtain.

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ringham Member since:
2006-03-23

Boohoo - you can't uninstall the IE DLLs. Go cry about it. Who cares? It's not acting as a browser anymore and it won't ask to be your default browser after that point. What's the problem? Is it too much for you to handle, having evil Microsoft code dirtying up your Windows installation?


"When you are legally found to be the monopoly position, laws become applicable too you which are not applicable to non-monopoly status. These protect the consumer and the market. Again, this is not "stupid FOSS hippies" thing, it's a legal thing."



Last I knew companies that are monopolies still are not legally obilgated to promote competitors products.


"As for "it's unbelievably easy", your assuming consumers realize they have any choice at all. When you can walk into your local computer-mart and see the same hardware with three different OS platforms on display; come back and tell us about consumers being educated and having choice. "



Again - boohoo. People need to take responsibility for and educate themselves. I'm tired of this sense of entitlement - that companies should HAVE to hold peoples hands. They shouldn't.

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Start > Run > iexplore.exe

Oh, what’s that? And it’s even asking to be default.

If you remove IE using the add/remove option, it will still appear every time you use Messenger, for example.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Yet you ignore the sense of entitlement with which Microsoft treats the computer market and privately owned machines. I guess it's a matter of convenience for which abuses we choose to recognize huh.

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