Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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RE[2]: Not even true. - a humble user
by jabbotts on Sun 14th Jun 2009 03:55
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I'm but a humble Deb user slowly learning the deeper political details of the distro; late Etch and Lenny since so my experience is limited.
For me, two things keep it from being my desktop OS along side my server OS. Wifi NIC support and dependencies. What can you do, I accept that source availability is a goal of the distro. But, I come from Mandriva where I can "urpmi konsole" and get only what is needed for KDE to push Konsole. The everything KDE (or Gnome) as a dependency of KDE (or Gnome) really turns me off as a result. I don't want all of KDE but only specific core components. Dropping 50 meg on my system to push a glorified notepad is just not going to happen. The one bit of luck in my case is that it's Gnome specific but that doesn't mean similar unnecessary dependencies are not dumping in along side my KDE desktop. Hard drive space is cheap but that doesn't justify wasting it.
This is meant to be somewhat aside the specifics of Tomboy. Crippling hardware support (my Lenny dumps support for my HP server's NIC also.. booo!) and making extraneous crap a dependency just sucks. Great distro where applicable and I'm thankful for finally taking the time to explore and now use it but these things limit where it is the applicable correct choice for me.
I do admit that there may be reasons I'm not aware of though as I'm new to the Debian world.
RE[3]: Not even true. - a humble user
by Carewolf on Sun 14th Jun 2009 10:13
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Member since:2005-09-08
What?
Debian has always be the distro that split the KDE packages. Mandriva might have started to do the same, but to claim that installing Konsole install all of KDE is silly. Are you sure you are using Debian?
I just checked the dependencies of konsole is:
kdelibs, kdebase-runtime and Qt.
So you need the core KDE libraries, the core KDE runtime requirements and Qt to install konsole. You don't get any other KDE applications besides konsole.
RE[3]: Not even true. - a humble user
by MamiyaOtaru on Sun 14th Jun 2009 10:44
in reply to "RE[2]: Not even true. - a humble user"
Member since:2005-11-11
But, I come from Mandriva where I can "urpmi konsole" and get only what is needed for KDE to push Konsole. The everything KDE (or Gnome) as a dependency of KDE (or Gnome) really turns me off as a result.
So
apt-get install konsole
instead of
apt-get install kde
problem solved. kde is a metapackage. If you don't want the whole thing, don't install the metapackage. Install the parts you want.
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it wasn't even blatantly anti-mono. the overarching point was: tomboy and its dependencies take up a hell of a lot more room than gnote... so why is tomboy being included as part of a default install?
and furthermore, it's debatable whether or not a note taking app really needs to be in a default install anyway.
it's hardly justification for including mono, which is so hotly debated, as part of a default install, even if there IS a suggested alternative.
i've been a debian user for six years. this is extremely aggravating.