Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Debian and its clones Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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post of Pietro Pesci Feltri
by shiva on Sat 13th Jun 2009 14:57 UTC
shiva
Member since:
2007-01-24

I liked the post of Pietro Pesci Feltri at


http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/06/why-mono-is-des.html

"Your effort to defend mono is good, but not perfect.

Please, remove the remark about mono is hundreds times faster than Python. That is a false. Python is not the king of speed but no language I know is hundreds times faster than it. Believe me.

The C - ATT comment is erroneous too, but others has well explained that to you.

Think about that:

The problem is not only about MS. There are at least two other well known packages based in MS technologies:
wine and samba.

I read things about not to use them because is based is evil technology and blah blah blah. That is, in the Linux camp, there are anti-wine people and anti-samba people too. But as far as I know, the number of anti-mono people is much greater, and we are speaking here about the same people in al three cases.

Why mono has so bad reaction compared to the others?.

First, wine is about windows API replication and samba is a smb/cifs API to share files. Both of them, utilities of wide use in the computer world, and if Linux people want to get Windows people, almost everybody using that technology, that compatibility/replacement packages must exist in Linux too. wine will ever be behind Windows API, and samba will be behind cifs API, but that programs/utilities was widespread.

On the other side, how many users was using .NET technology when mono was announced?. Nobody was using that technology, and for me, that was a surprise. Mono is the first software that promise to be behind MS technology before that technology was created. Do not that tell something to you?. In that moment, a lot of Linux people told that was a non sense move, better was to try to replicate existing and emerging technologies like Java, but that was unacceptable because the mono proponents said Java was in Sun hands (BTW: Java is free now), and by my deduction, appear better to be in MS hands ;) . There is no common sense.

Second is the fact wine and samba are for user consumption, but .NET/mono are for developers too. I can understand to be behind in some utilities, but in development tools too?. If you think that, you are plain wrong from my point of view. I use Linux not because is free, is because is **better**, simple as that. I don't want crap at any cost nor expensive nor free.

Third is patent appear not be problem for you, but is a big problem for me. I don't want a company being sued because some MS patent problem, or the system crash because the new version is not API compatible. All because I don't choose the correct tools. Okay, I can change the problematic part whatever that be but anyway, will be my fault and I will be responsible. Is bad idea to go in life finding problems, unfortunately problems comes to you without your help. Only sit and wait.

I am Fedora user, but from Fedora 11, mono is optional, that avoid to worry me removing it, that is the first thing I usually do after installation."

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

My personal problem with Samba stems directly from CIFS; clear text protocol. Why does Windows still spray my user password hash across the network like this? While your grabbing your important document or sending your print job, anyone on the network can grab your login info and start working on it. Granted, complicated passwords make breaking the PreAth but the fact that I can get that information still already created security problems at home and work.

Thanks to a lack of support for ssh and sshfs on the Windows side (I think it's the only OS that doesn't offer support still), it's not even a choice. All my other platforms integrate safely on the network but I have to jump through hoops to come close to that same security as soon as Windows is involved.

I think the difference between the three though is this; WINE and Samba provide a function. Mono is a .net clone. It's a programming framework for the Studio.net folk.

Unlike Samba, I don't have personal investment in Mono or Gnome so I'm a third party observer on this one.

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