Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Jun 2009 21:40 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces The Engineering 7 weblog has an item about the improvements made in the ClearType font rendering technology which has been included in Windows since Windows XP. While I won't go too deeply into that post, I did figure it was a good opportunity to talk about font antialiasing in general; which type do you prefer?
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Wed 24th Jun 2009 05:22 UTC
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Personally, I've never had a religion obsession of one mode of rendering over another; I like how Mac does it, just as I like how Windows Vista and Freetype (with patented hinting + personal tweaks). For me I can't work out why people thing that there is this accusation of 'fuzzy' when one looks at the screenshot of my desktop I can't see it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/kaiwai/Picture1.png

Maybe my eye's are screwed because I don't see any fuzziness.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Glynser on Wed 24th Jun 2009 06:25 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
Glynser Member since:
2007-11-29

I can totally see it and it hurts my eyes. The smaller the fonts, the worse it gets when AA is turned on. Just look at some of the letters, they aren't even all black, some are much more lighter than others. You should especially notice that in the comment box on your screenshot. If not, then you might be lucky in some kind of way ;) but for me it's terrible, I'm glad that I can turn that off in Windows.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Wed 24th Jun 2009 07:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I can totally see it and it hurts my eyes. The smaller the fonts, the worse it gets when AA is turned on. Just look at some of the letters, they aren't even all black, some are much more lighter than others. You should especially notice that in the comment box on your screenshot. If not, then you might be lucky in some kind of way ;) but for me it's terrible, I'm glad that I can turn that off in Windows.


What browser are you using? did you actually MAXIMISE the screenshot? from the sound sof it, you didn't maximise the size of it - you kept it in its shrunken state.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by rhy7s on Wed 24th Jun 2009 06:26 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
rhy7s Member since:
2008-08-04

Have a look at the different weight of the i's in "Spirit of Summer", and anywhere else with a bit of verticality to it, look at the l's in "All". Along with the occasional collisions of characters, there's that sort of sandpapered look to the text when you see a block of it, as if some of the letters have been partially obscured or rubbed away. For example, in "Clapton" the C and t look like a different weight to the rest of the name.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Wed 24th Jun 2009 07:41 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Have a look at the different weight of the i's in "Spirit of Summer", and anywhere else with a bit of verticality to it, look at the l's in "All". Along with the occasional collisions of characters, there's that sort of sandpapered look to the text when you see a block of it, as if some of the letters have been partially obscured or rubbed away. For example, in "Clapton" the C and t look like a different weight to the rest of the name.


Oh, come on, what a load of horse crap - I've just spent a good 15 minutes with my face up against the screen scanning the photo working out what the hell you're going on about - show me exactly where it is - because none of what you say exists except maybe in your mind.

Honestly, you're as bad as those Windows zealots who would look at Freetype and make up artifacts simply to bolster their position rather than accepting that rendering wasn't so bad as to burn their eyes.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by jal_ on Wed 24th Jun 2009 08:02 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

Maybe my eye's are screwed because I don't see any fuzziness.


I can't comment on your eyes, but to me that text looks fuzzy as hell.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by dylansmrjones on Wed 24th Jun 2009 10:17 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I can also "totally" see it (sowwy, have to go to the loo and throw up after that teen-language), in its maximized state. If you look at "Spirit of Summer" the second i in "Spirit" is fuzzy compared with the first i. The first part of the u (that'll be the leftmost stem) in "Summer" is also fuzzy, and the last half of the first m and the first half of the second m is also fuzzy.

That said it might be related to my cheap, slutty and crappy LCD-monitor, where everything is somewhat fuzzy, no matter what I do. It is better than no monitor, but also worse than my former (and butt old and recently deceased) CRT-monitor.

If it looks good on your monitor, don't change anything. I strongly prefer OS X-rendering over "ClearType".

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by Glynser on Wed 24th Jun 2009 10:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
Glynser Member since:
2007-11-29

Always be aware that there *might* be some people around who don't speak English as their native language.

Btw, tell me more about your slutty and crappy monitor.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by abraxas on Wed 24th Jun 2009 11:08 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

Personally, I've never had a religion obsession of one mode of rendering over another; I like how Mac does it, just as I like how Windows Vista and Freetype (with patented hinting + personal tweaks). For me I can't work out why people thing that there is this accusation of 'fuzzy' when one looks at the screenshot of my desktop I can't see it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/kaiwai/Picture1.png

Maybe my eye's are screwed because I don't see any fuzziness.


I think you're just used to the fonts. I can see all kinds of fuzziness in that screenshot. The lowercase "e" in the text input box for the OSNews in your screenshot is a good example. It looks like mush to me.

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