Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Sep 2005 22:40 UTC, submitted by Danijel Orsolic
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "This follow-up to the previously published article 'Ubuntu: Derivative or Fork?' takes into account most of everything that has been posted as a reaction to the first article to present a general opinion and compare them with facts derived from various resouces. You'll see that peace can be achieved between these two, and ultimately any GNU/Linux group out there."
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Anonymous Penguin
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2005-07-06

Exactly! Just one man (Kano) has proved to the world what Debian at its best can do. No forking, no large teams of developers, no millions, no hype, no zealots...

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These Debian/Ubuntu flamefests over the past few days have really done a good job at hashing out the differences between Ubuntu and other Debian derivatives.

So now I'd like to know why people use other Debian derivatives instead of just using Debian. If all of their packages are compatible and you can just point your sources.list wherever you want what's the point of them?

Not criticizing them, just honestly want to know.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

Debian is fine. Compatible derivatives are just "ready to use" customizations of Debian.
Such customizations, if they are really good, stay 100% Debian compatible.
You could get there from Debian, but somebody else has done a lot of work in order to make your life easier, your Debian experience more pleasant.

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I've tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu.

I found both of them too buggy for production, but that's just me. I've been using Debian Sarge since.

Yeah, it does not have X.org and all the bells and whisles, but works like a charm.

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I was one of those that fell in love with just plain vanilla debian. After trying Knoppix, Gnoppix, Mepis and others, it really boils down to (for me that is) a few simple things. A: nvidia drivers, *noppix and others allowed me to EASILY install nvidia drivers and have it up and running in no time, while with plain debian it was a pain in the a$$. B: Install, while all of the installations for all the derivatives is the same, the hardware detection for those are head and shoulders above vanilla debian install.

The way I see it, there are many camps that veiw debian in different ways. Those that want the stable release, those that want the bleeding edge, and those that just want it to work.

I for one love how Ubuntu works, I don't need bleeding edge all the time, I just "want it to work" and be done with it. The last few times I've installed Knoppix, the HD install just doesn't install clean. I have alot of useless packages that I don't need, configurations that I can't fix without muddling around all the conf files and guessing what's what. It should'nt be that way.

anywhoo, my $.2

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You seem to have a lot of... zeal. Let's face it, without a certain amount of "marketing", whether it be word of mouth or a billboard, very little would be bought/sold/used anywhere. The argument is (as I have feebly understood it here) that if something doesn't "work" in the open source model, it gets abandoned. That's all well and good, but the implied idea is that what does work remains, or gets adapted. Love or hate Ubuntu, they seem to be doing something right. Perhaps it isn't a graceful or new creature from a purely computational perspective, but if it is only the ability to generate enough "hype" and positive reviews, then it is something from which all Linux distros can benefit. I use Ubuntu, but until I saw your "hype" about Katonix, I wasn't inclined to try it. Now I am. I think you're on to something...

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"You seem to have a lot of... zeal."

LOL. One of my points is, and I keep reading it more and more often, that this little distro, Kanotix, is really very good and yet it is almost unknown.


"if something doesn't "work" in the open source model, it gets abandoned."

That is very true.

"Love or hate Ubuntu, they seem to be doing something right."

Yes, they have managed to make installing Debian with Xorg and Gnome easier. If they hadn't created incompatibility between Debian's and their own binaries, nowadays everybody would like them.

"I think you're on to something..."

LOL, like what? I won't earn any money by recommending Kanotix. I am just somebody who'd like to see the overall linux standards raised.

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