Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Sep 2005 22:40 UTC, submitted by Danijel Orsolic
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "This follow-up to the previously published article 'Ubuntu: Derivative or Fork?' takes into account most of everything that has been posted as a reaction to the first article to present a general opinion and compare them with facts derived from various resouces. You'll see that peace can be achieved between these two, and ultimately any GNU/Linux group out there."
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RE: "Freedom"
by on Wed 28th Sep 2005 00:58 UTC in reply to ""Freedom""

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I can't stand hearing this word any more. It's been overused and has lost all of its meaning.

Don't you believe that if it really did lost its meaning that it is an unfortunate situation we should do something about?

The thing is that without the thing that this word represents, you know the thing about not being locked up into monopolies, was the very reason why today GNU/Linux is an issue at all and that we'd be enjoying a free (yes as in *freedom*) operating system like we do.

So instead of avoiding it, we should in a contrary try to promote it as something attractive and good for everyone, something that is worth knowing and understanding. It really doesn't make much sense to talk about Free Software and GNU/Linux and completely leave the "freedom" issue from it, because the "freedom" is the reason why it is here.

Besides all this, the site where this was published on (founded by little myself) is ALL about that freedom, from Free (as in freedom) software to the Free (as in freedom) culture encompassing it.

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Danijel Orsolic

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RE[2]: "Freedom"
by stew on Wed 28th Sep 2005 01:10 in reply to "RE: "Freedom""
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free (yes as in *freedom*)

As in which freedom? The developer's freedom of not being allowed link GPL and (original) BSD licensed code? The developer's freedom of not being allowed to revoke license when he sees his software used in immoral ways? The "freedom" that the GPL claims is just an arbitrary choice - one man's freedom is the other one's prison.

In my experience, the majority of GNU/Linux users mostly cares about the free as in beer aspect more than the freedom aspect. Just give them the choice between paying and getting the source code or getting binaries for free and see what they prefer.

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RE[3]: "Freedom"
by on Wed 28th Sep 2005 01:22 in reply to "RE[2]: "Freedom""
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The "freedom" that the GPL claims is just an arbitrary choice - one man's freedom is the other one's prison.

GPL was designed to prevent exactly that kind of thing from happening. It balances my freedom with yours instead of allowing my freedom to crossover yours. Societally, too much freedom (or that kind of freedom that allows one to be free on the expense of another) is not an objective freedom for all at all.

And developers that chose GPL know what were they doing (or at least should) and knew what this license allows so the whole implication that developers are somehow loosing their freedom doesn't really stands, especially considering that it was exactly developers who stirred the whole Free Software movement in the first place to allow for an existence of a culture where they can share code and acomplishments, much like scientists have always done, instead of being forced into non-disclosure agreements companies started to lock them into. It was not only users who were locked in, it was developers too.

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RE[3]: "Freedom"
by on Wed 28th Sep 2005 04:22 in reply to "RE[2]: "Freedom""
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I care about freedom and free stuff.

Do you mean to tell me that as a developer you would complain about getting free stuff that requests any products you make with it must be available as free stuff, too?

Why expect someone to give it to you and trust you to be good with it?

I know BSD does that. But if you're so greedy that you don't want to share your modifications you shouldn't expect anyone to give you Linux(TM) to do with as you please. You must be crazy, man. This is real world production quality technology here, not some unversity's toy project. Need me to spell it out for you? If you want to benefit from the Intellectual Property IBM and HP and SGI and countless others are dumping into this technology you gotta pay for the right to distribute with your Intellectual Property.

I'm sorry, but Linux ain't free beer. If you want to drink this beer you must promise to go pee in the toilet.

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