Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Jul 2009 10:17 UTC
Xfce While we regularly discuss Ubuntu, and to a lesser degree Kubuntu, there's also a version of Ubuntu tailor-made for the Xfce desktop environment. As most of you are aware, it's called Xubuntu, and after trying it out for the first time, I have to say that I find that it provides a better and more coherent experience than Ubuntu (let alone Kubuntu).
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Kubuntus problem is
by kragil on Fri 17th Jul 2009 11:10 UTC
kragil
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2006-01-04

KDEs problem:

It just does not get the same attention from big companies. Novell, Red Hat, Intel, Nokia, Canonical etc. all employ a lot of GTK/Gnome hackers.
Qt is well maintained by Nokia, but for KDE they only employ Aaron Seigo. Novell has a few older SUSE KDE hackers on the payroll, but let go a few go lately. Mandrake has very few and Canonical has one.
That is why KDE gets a lot more development in the Summer because of Googles Summer of code.
Same with distros. Kubuntu is much more a community project than Ubuntu. It lacks developers. For Fedora KDE is only a special interest group.
There are only a few distros that do some KDE development (Pradus does a lot of config/glue Python stuff. Others do similar superficial stuff, but no core development.)

That is also why KDE4 lacks a lot of enterprise functionality that was there in KDE3, because volunteers are not so much into that stuff. They like to build flashy new desktop stuff.

I think KDE should embrace these facts and not try to be something it isn't. It is a enthusiast desktop and it should embrace its users and listen to their brainstorm at forums.kde.

It should work on a social desktop and try to integrate better with Debian. A true community distro is KDEs best option right now.

Try getting new versions of KDE into Debian Testing fast would be a great choice for most people.

And it should work on a more social desktop.
I great suggestion in this regard is this:
http://whilos.blogsite.org/?p=144

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RE: Kubuntus problem is
by michi on Fri 17th Jul 2009 15:05 in reply to "Kubuntus problem is "
michi Member since:
2006-02-04

I think KDE is doing fine. The number of active contributors is steadily growing: http://dot.kde.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors

I personally like the fact that KDE is mostly developed by the community. I think it would be nice to have a really good KDE centric distribution, but personally I can live without.

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RE: Kubuntus problem is
by robojerk on Fri 17th Jul 2009 15:56 in reply to "Kubuntus problem is "
robojerk Member since:
2006-01-10

I honestly think Nokia/Trolltech needs to develop a Qt only desktop similar to Antico.
http://www.antico.netsons.org

I think part of the point to Qt v4 was portability. KDE lib dependencies just prevent apps to be easily ran on multiple platforms unless you plan on installing KDE on that platform, I just don't see it catching on unfortunately. It's sad because there are some KDE apps I really want to see cross platform like Amarok, Koffice.

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RE[2]: Kubuntus problem is
by phoenix on Sat 18th Jul 2009 03:14 in reply to "RE: Kubuntus problem is "
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I honestly think Nokia/Trolltech needs to develop a Qt only desktop similar to Antico.
http://www.antico.netsons.org

I think part of the point to Qt v4 was portability. KDE lib dependencies just prevent apps to be easily ran on multiple platforms unless you plan on installing KDE on that platform, I just don't see it catching on unfortunately. It's sad because there are some KDE apps I really want to see cross platform like Amarok, Koffice.


Uhm, you do realise that Amarok 2, KOffice 2, Kontact, Konqueror, DragonPlayer, in fact the whole KDE4 stack is cross-platform, right? You can run them on various Linux distros, FreeBSD, Windows XP/Vista/7, MacOS X, Solaris, probably OpenBSD and NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD, and probably a few others that I've forgotten.

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RE: Kubuntus problem is
by bralkein on Fri 17th Jul 2009 19:13 in reply to "Kubuntus problem is "
bralkein Member since:
2006-12-20

Although KDE could do with some corporate assistance in many places, mainly to do with polish and general finishing work, KDE certainly still has a lot going for it. I think you're selling it a bit short when you say its future only really lies as an enthusiast desktop.

I think the thing which was putting off major commercial distros in the past was that Qt was GPL, which would really limit any distro as a target platform for proprietary software. It's not really been very long since the license change to LGPL, and I am still holding out hope for greater corporate interest due to this improved situation.

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RE[2]: Kubuntus problem is
by kragil on Fri 17th Jul 2009 23:27 in reply to "RE: Kubuntus problem is "
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

The situation may have improved but it never wasn't only the about the GPL. It was also control and Gnome always had better accessibility.

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RE: Kubuntus problem is
by anda_skoa on Sat 18th Jul 2009 08:23 in reply to "Kubuntus problem is "
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

Novell, Red Hat, Intel, Nokia, Canonical etc. all employ a lot of GTK/Gnome hackers.
Qt is well maintained by Nokia

I don't have any numbers but I could imagine that there are more people employed for working on Qt then for working in GTK+

but for KDE they only employ Aaron Seigo.


This is actually not correct.
Aaron is the only one being paid by Qt Software to work on KDE full time, others like David Faure are paid to work on it part of their time (in David's case 50% IIRC).

and Canonical has one


There have to be more, I know at least Jonathan Riddell, Aurélien Gâteau and Bo Thorsen.

Not counting all of the KDE PIM developers working for KDAB, the guys working fo KO Gmbh on KOffice, etc.

It could be that those companies are just not as well known to people wathing KDE development from a distance.

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RE[2]: Kubuntus problem is
by kragil on Sat 18th Jul 2009 10:47 in reply to "RE: Kubuntus problem is "
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04


I don't have any numbers but I could imagine that there are more people employed for working on Qt then for working in GTK+


Could be, still besides my point.


There have to be more, I know at least Jonathan Riddell, Aurélien Gâteau and Bo Thorsen.


OK, one more. Bo is at KDAB. I just mentioned the distro guys, because you need at least a few dozen to really shape a distro and release a quality product if you want to release every 6 month. And even with a dozen you won't do a lot of development or polishing. Mainly you do bug fixing.

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RE: Kubuntus problem?
by perspectoff on Sun 19th Jul 2009 13:33 in reply to "Kubuntus problem is "
perspectoff Member since:
2008-11-06

I disagree. I like KDE (Kubuntu) better than Ubuntu. It looks nicer and is more user-friendly than Ubuntu. Further, the widget-oriented mentality is what all operating systems are going to (including OS X and Windows 7).

The Gnome desktop is late to revamp, which it is due to do this year. KDE is actually ahead of the curve, not behind, even if it might be doing farsighted revamps with less resources.

Xfce is a nice, lean little desktop, but go ahead and try to figure out how to use it. There is little to no documentation for Xubuntu, while Ubuntu and Kubuntu have guides (ubuntuguide.org and kubuntuguide.org), forums, community documentation, etc.

Besides, if you are really looking for speed, try Puppy Linux, a pretty, really fast, small Linux distro that does everything a netbook user could want to do.

For everyone else, the increased speed of Ubuntu/Kubuntu Jaunty makes a lot of discussions a bit, well, old-fashioned.

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