Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Jul 2009 07:29 UTC
Opera Software Last week, the European Commission announced that Microsoft is willing to implement a browser ballot screen in Windows so that users can select a browser to install when installing Windows or when setting up their OEM computer. While this makes Opera very happy, Opera would like to see Ubuntu and Apple offer such a ballot screen too.
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RE: Comment by me
by sbergman27 on Mon 27th Jul 2009 14:45 UTC in reply to "Comment by me"
sbergman27
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2005-07-24

I'm starting to dislike Opera. All they really seem to want is to promote their browser for free while pretending to be champions of freedom.

Indeed. If they want into Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora then they need to start acting like good citizens of those communities. Instead, they champion the free beer but closed source approach and then expect to be loved so much as to be granted an exception to those distros' usual policies.

Opera neither talks the talk nor walks the walk. So I'll give them credit for at least avoiding hypocrisy. But it seems like all they ever want is a handout, when what they really need to be doing is *competing* for the markets they want to play in. And that entails giving consumers in those segments of the market what they want. And in general, a big hunk of closed, proprietary code at the heart of their otherwise open OS is not what people in that market are looking for. Those who don't mind are already perfectly free to download and install it themselves, and are much more likely to know about Opera and be capable of doing that than are, in general, Windows users.

Edited 2009-07-27 14:48 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by me
by hangman on Mon 27th Jul 2009 22:13 in reply to "RE: Comment by me"
hangman Member since:
2007-09-05

expect to be loved so much as to be granted an exception to those distros' usual policies

Excuse me, but did you actually read what the guy said? He never said that Opera NEEDS to be included, just that it MAY be a good idea to offer alternatives (and he didn't specify which alternatives).

Opera neither talks the talk nor walks the walk.

Huh?

But it seems like all they ever want is a handout,

So Google and Mozilla only ever want a handout as well, since they are part of the complaint?

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RE[3]: Comment by me
by sbergman27 on Mon 27th Jul 2009 22:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by me"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Excuse me, but did you actually read what the guy said?

Excuse me, but it is not the policy of most Linux distros to include closed source software except in the case in which it is absolutely required to make the hardware run. And even in that extreme case some distros choose to exclude it.

He never said that Opera NEEDS to be included, just that it MAY be a good idea to offer alternatives

Epiphany, Firefox, Konqueror, Arora, Conkeror, Dillo, Elinks, links, links2, Fennec, Galeon, Midori, Netsurf, Seamonkey, Rekonq... Are those not enough alternatives? Is there some dire need to provide a closed source browser in addition? And do you *really* think that he meant alternatives that didn't include Opera? Really? I wonder what he would say if MS picked the top 4 browsers from the W3Schools statistics to include on the ballot screen. That would be: IE, Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. Top four sounds fair to me. Do you think the Opera folks would be OK with that?

Huh?

Opera is neither open source, nor claims to be. I'd have thought that would be clear enough to you without having to be explained. BTW, there's a little drool on your chin, there.

So Google and Mozilla only ever want a handout as well, since they are part of the complaint?

The current topic is ballot screens in non-monopoly OSes, so your question is entirely irrelevant.

Edit: Wow. The posting history of the guy that I'm reponding to is fascinating. Fifty-four posts logged, and every one of them in defense of Opera! Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Edited 2009-07-27 23:08 UTC

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