Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Jul 2009 07:29 UTC
Opera Software Last week, the European Commission announced that Microsoft is willing to implement a browser ballot screen in Windows so that users can select a browser to install when installing Windows or when setting up their OEM computer. While this makes Opera very happy, Opera would like to see Ubuntu and Apple offer such a ballot screen too.
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sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

ubuntu and apple are scared to death that they also have to include ballast on netbooks or iphones to include other browser choices than their own choice....

What kind of crack are you on? The need for the ballot screen is directly related to the fact of MS using its undeniable monopoly in desktop operating systems to leverage the Internet Explorer *application*. When Ubuntu (or any other distro) gains a monopoly in desktop operating systems, then and only then would it be appropriate to worry about forcing them to do anything. Furthermore, Ubuntu already makes Konqueror available by default, via Kubuntu, and offers Firefox, Epiphany, Konqueror, Midori, Dillo, Lynx, elinks, links, Aurora, Galeon, Netsurf, links2, rekonq, seamonkey, and no doubt others which I am forgetting via click, click, click, in Synaptics... and even in the simplified Add/Remove apps utility. (Arguably a lot of these *shouldn't* be in the simplified utility.) Opera's not there because it does not meet the clearly stated criteria for inclusion. If it did it would be there.

Edit: I just finished reviewing a few of your previous posts on similar topics, and I must say that the magnitude of your disconnection with reality is notable.

Edited 2009-07-27 15:07 UTC

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rakamaka Member since:
2005-08-12

Ubuntu donot give me choice to "install" browser. All browsers you mentioned are "bundled" with what ubuntu offers. "bundling" of browser is what EU don't like. Now if ubuntu/kubuntu offers me to "install" and not "uninstall" choice I will be happy.
Dont give me line that linux is only kernel, you have choices etc etc. For end user Ubuntu, Mint or any other distribution itself is "entire OS"
BTW try apt-get remove konqueror and see what happend (on kubuntu). Your KDE will be half-dead...Wasn't it the case that you cannot remove IE completely from MS windows??

Edited 2009-07-27 15:18 UTC

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Ubuntu donot give me choice to "install" browser.

Let me start off by saying that I have allocated only a limited amount of time to address your foolishness, and so will jump to the heart of the matter and be concise. EU (and US, for that matter) antitrust policies have nothing at all against bundling, per se. What they do forbid is using one monopoly, in this case a monopoly in the desktop OS space, to leverage another product, in this case the IE web browser. Your constant moaning about bundling in general is misguided at best. And totally insincere, at worst. (Can an OSNews reader really be so misinformed?)

As I'm keeping this brief, if you would like more detail, see one of my previous posts on a related topic: http://www.osnews.com/thread?375280

Edited 2009-07-27 15:28 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Choose a different distrobution then if you don't like how Cononical's distributions do it. Your data is not locked into one distribution and there are many very good ones to look at. Check out a full install distribution like Mandriva 2008.1 or PCLinuxOS. If you need to stick with the apt/deb based distributions, Debian is very nice and not much more complex than Ubuntu so it may cover all your needs.

The difference here is that if you don't like Windows, you don't have a different distributor or different version of Windows without a particular browser. If you don't like Ubuntu, you can easily look at other distributions; some even provide better hardware support than Ubuntu.

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bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

KDE uses konqueror (or more specifically khtml) heavily, and therefore won't run correctly without it, on the other hand the whole of KDE is optional and can easily be replaced with something else.

Ubuntu give you choice of several browsers, none of which are written by ubuntu themselves. They have no reason to promote one browser over another.

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

I agree, but there is no point in talking to him/her.

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