Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Jul 2009 12:13 UTC
Microsoft With Apple doing really, really well, and with Microsoft having its first sets of negative figures since the company's founding, Microsoft CEO points his arrows towards Cupertino. In a talk to members of the press and analyst community, Ballmer talked about Microsoft vs. Apple.
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Apple and high qualtiy
by makkus on Fri 31st Jul 2009 13:57 UTC
makkus
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2006-01-11

Apple and high qualtity, I allways wonder where they get that from.

A year ago I bought for my work 4 24 inch iMacs 4Gb (€2400 with apple-care), purely for Osirix, a open-source medical viewer which only runs on OSX and which I can modify to our liking being a Radiology research department.

But having always to few machines to do my job, I was thinking that I could divert some of my batch tasks which I normally perform on my two HP 2xquadro's, also 24 inch 16Gb memory, 24 inch wide-screen running Linux (€1800 with 5 year hardware-care), Afterall they're Unix under the hood. Bad idea! They just can't handle intensive tasks, failing within weeks on, I think, heat related problems.

So now they stand there, shining and all and to do their viewing tasks and I don't dare to touch them for something intensive because the prima donnas are to fragile to do regular grunt work. I despise them. Wish that somebody had the sense to make a wonderful application like Osirix a little more portable (GNUstep).

Before somebody says I should've bought a PowerMAC, That would've meant just two machine max and I could've bought 4 of my HP workstations with more power.

Quality my ***. But true is true, they are the envy of many other department.

Edited 2009-07-31 14:03 UTC

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RE: Apple and high qualtiy
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 31st Jul 2009 14:01 in reply to "Apple and high qualtiy"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Apple and high qualtity, I allways wonder were they get that from.


Same bewilderment here. I've not had a single Apple machine that wasn't broken in one way of the other.

Only had one normal PC fail, a Dell laptop where a screen hinge broke. The machine itself still works.

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RE[2]: Apple and high qualtiy
by boldingd on Fri 31st Jul 2009 15:10 in reply to "RE: Apple and high qualtiy"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

I've owned several Macs, several HP PC's, and a lot of AMD/ATI/ASUS self-assembled machines. Guess where, by far, the highest failure rate is?

The bloody Macs. And God help you if you don't get Apple Care.

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RE[2]: Apple and high qualtiy
by jakesdad on Fri 31st Jul 2009 19:37 in reply to "RE: Apple and high qualtiy"
jakesdad Member since:
2005-12-28

I have yet to have any of the macs I support die on tasks or hardware. I have on the other hand replaced more hp memory and system boards than I care to count.

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binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

That's the thing about anecdotal evidence. People are more likely to express negative feedback then positive feedback.

If you look at the overall statistics and customer satisfaction surveys, Apple is ranked pretty darn high.

For my own personal, anecdotal evidence, I've owned and built many PCs over my lifetime. I've only ever owned two apple systems, one which I just bought recently.

I've also helped maintain many labs of computers at a school for a few years, and the Apple computer labs generally had significantly fewer hardware failures.

But I'm not willing to say that one type of hardware is generally better than another. Every company has their "stinkers" -- products with design flaws that affect the reliability of the hardware.

For me, I'm happy with both. My answer when someone asks me which one they should get is, "The right tool for the right job. It depends on what you want to use it for."

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RE: Apple and high qualtiy
by REM2000 on Fri 31st Jul 2009 17:18 in reply to "Apple and high qualtiy"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

the apple store in london use imac's as point of sale computers. These things run day and night, as do the demo machines.

Ive yet to see one of them go down, i asked (admittedly a bias view) one of the sales clerks what the failure rate and he said that the imac tills have yet to break down.

I personally own three mac computers, 1 desktop pc and 1 windows laptop. The windows pc's are good work horses as are the mac's however i find that i am more productive on the mac. This of course is my personal opinon, ive yet to have any of the mac's fail.

Microsoft and many of it's partners make their money through bulk get em in and then shove em out quick. If you want a premium pc then prices are usually the same if not more than the mac. Of course no mac is going to compete with the bottom end market, which with the race in technology can perform mostly 90% of tasks users require.

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RE: Apple and high qualtiy
by segedunum on Sat 1st Aug 2009 00:40 in reply to "Apple and high qualtiy"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

It gets even funnier when you realise that Macs are PCs, and they use very bog standard parts that would only amount to a few hundred dollars if you built a standard PC with them.

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RE: Apple and high qualtiy
by Johann Chua on Sat 1st Aug 2009 05:04 in reply to "Apple and high qualtiy"
Johann Chua Member since:
2005-07-22

Mac-only open-source app. Why? No one can figure out how to port it to Windows/Linux/*BSD? HandBrake started out as a BeOS app, now it's on OS X and Windows.

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RE[2]: Apple and high qualtiy
by makkus on Sat 1st Aug 2009 05:46 in reply to "RE: Apple and high qualtiy"
makkus Member since:
2006-01-11

Mac-only open-source app. Why?

Exactly, what were they thinking!

>No one can figure out how to port it to Windows/Linux
>/*BSD? HandBrake started out as a BeOS app, now it's
>on OS X and Windows.

Osirix is quit a big project, we are just with two and our main task is facilitating a research group, so I can not direct the time to do it. But it really pains me, because we like to do things on a budget an more then €10.000 for equipment I can only use for one thing means something has to stay on the shelve.

Maybe when one of these projects:
Cocotron, http://www.cocotron.org
or
GNUstep, http://gnustep.org

are complete enough it will be simpler to do. Time will tell....

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