Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Aug 2009 10:43 UTC
SUSE Linux used to be a very KDE-centric distribution. Then Novell came around, bought SUSE and Ximian, and slowely but surely they turned the now-openSUSE distribution into effectively a GNOME-centric distribution with KDE as its sidekick. The openSUSE community, however, doesn't appear to be particularly happy with KDE being a sidekick.
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With KDE, I have found installing a packaged called gtk-qt-engine works well. Its a theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. It translates GTK calls into QT calls and makes most GTK apps look more KDE-like.
I take the old fashioned way out where I can. I configure sound from alsa and wireless from the command line (editing /etc/network/interfaces).
Member since:2009-02-14
I think you have it completely wrong.
KDE does EVERYTHING to integrate better with GNOME and other desktop environments. GNOME does relatively nothing to integrate with KDE.
GNOME programs that do not integrate with KDE is the fault of GNOME, not KDE. KDE programs that integrate very well with GNOME is not because of the glorious work of GNOME but because KDE tries to integrate the programs into GNOME.
Please try to understand that integration comes from all sides. KDE uses GNOME technology. What KDE technology does GNOME use?
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KDE does EVERYTHING to integrate better with GNOME and other desktop environments. GNOME does relatively nothing to integrate with KDE.....Please try to understand that integration comes from all sides.
That's about the size of it. The KDE guys came up with QtGTK (a theming engine to make GTK apps fit into KDE moderately well). Did the GTK guys jump on board and make KDE and Qt apps fit into Gnome for users? Nope. The Trolltech guys had to do that work:
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/05/qgtkstyle-now-part-of-qt...
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Not so with KDE: you can use GTK-family apps, but they won't integrate well -- they may not even render or lay themselves out correctly or usably.
Yeah, it is a pity these application developers don't know how to use GTK's facilities correctly to adapt to the environment they are running in.
Well, assuming that GTK has, just like Qt, facilities to allow application to be as native as possible depending on the environment they are running in.
You should probably consider contacting their respective developers to inquire whether their poor integration is something they decided not to care about or whether their technology stack doesn' provide the necessary features.
...I've also had questions I couldn't get answered about the sound system -- like, can I get KDE to use Pulse Audio as Phonon's back-end...
No, because Pulse Audio doesn't provide the required functionality, i.e. it isn't a multi media framework.
However, I am pretty sure that all multi media engines currently being used for Phonon Backends, e.g. GStreamer, Xine and mplayer, have the capability to output to Pulse Audio.
Maybe the one being used by you didn't get configured correctly if you are experiencing apps blocking each others sound output.
Member since:2005-07-24
No, because Pulse Audio doesn't provide the required functionality, i.e. it isn't a multi media framework.
True. But surely it is only a matter of time before someone notices this and writes a new sound server, to replace PulseAudio, which addresses that deficit.
Edited 2009-08-04 20:36 UTC
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Not so with KDE: you can use GTK-family apps, but they won't integrate well -- they may not even render or lay themselves out correctly or usably.
That's the fault of the app developers, not the KDE devlopers. GTK doesn't play nicely with anything except GTK.
You have the same problem with system-service type things that really should be DE-independant: on my Ubuntu lap-top, the wireless network-manager app works fine in Gnome and XFCE, but the KDE equivalent doesn't function, for example,
Yes it does. In KDE3 you use network-manager-kde. In KDE4, you use the Network Management plasmoid. They both hook into NetworkManager, giving you access to the same config database that network-manager-gtk and the cli version use.
and I've also had questions I couldn't get answered about the sound system -- like, can I get KDE to use Pulse Audio as Phonon's back-end, so that I can have multi-channel sound, and GTK apps will be happy?
Yes. In KDE4, you go into System Settings, into Multimedia, and set the preference for output in the Xine/Phonon config to use PulseAudio. You can also change the Phonon config to use GStreamer instead of Xine if you want.
I don't know if this is an issue that is actively considered, but I bet, if you give distro-maintainers the choice between "the KDE universe" and "everything else," they'll choose the larger "everything else" community, and for good reason.
Problem with that philosophy is that it's backwards. KDE devs bend over backwards to make KDE apps integrate and play nicely with GNOME technology. GNOME devs (seemingly) couldn't give two shits about making things work well with KDE technology.
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I have actually found it to be the other way around. You can set qt apps to draw it's widgets through GTK (native GTK widgets, and thus fully using the gnome themes).
It is the gtk apps that won't play with others. The "outside" theming is a PITA (gtk-qt-engine is as good as it gets - no really native stuff there).
It is not the KDE guys that are responsible for GTK running nicely with KDE - it is GTK. And of cource the other way around: It is not gnomes responsibility to make sure that Qt apps run good in gnome.
I run both things, and it is A HELL LOT EASIER to make sure KDE apps look native in gnome, than making gtk apps look good in kde.
Member since:2007-02-17
I run both things, and it is A HELL LOT EASIER to make sure KDE apps look native in gnome, than making gtk apps look good in kde.
Install gtk-chtheme under KDE. Install some GTK themes. Run gtk-chtheme as a user, and again as root. From the list of those available select the GTK theme that best matches your preferred KDE theme. Select the same font for GTK as your KDE theme uses.
How hard is it?
PS: copy the .gtk2rc file (or some name like that, I can't recall exactly what it is) to the directory /etc/skel and subsequently all new users will have he correct GTK+ theme selected by default.
Edited 2009-08-04 23:58 UTC
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To chip it in, one thing I really dislike about KDE is that it generally doesn't play nicely with non KDE/QT apps. In general, you can mix Gnome, XFCE and GTK-general apps, and have everything behave more or less sanely -- Nautilus and PulseAudio in Blackbox also worked pretty well for me. Not so with KDE: you can use GTK-family apps, but they won't integrate well -- they may not even render or lay themselves out correctly or usably. You have the same problem with system-service type things that really should be DE-independant: on my Ubuntu lap-top, the wireless network-manager app works fine in Gnome and XFCE, but the KDE equivalent doesn't function, for example, and I've also had questions I couldn't get answered about the sound system -- like, can I get KDE to use Pulse Audio as Phonon's back-end, so that I can have multi-channel sound, and GTK apps will be happy? I don't know if this is an issue that is actively considered, but I bet, if you give distro-maintainers the choice between "the KDE universe" and "everything else," they'll choose the larger "everything else" community, and for good reason.
(This was supposed to be a top-level comment, not a reply, sorry. I don't know what I did.)
Edited 2009-08-04 19:21 UTC