Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Aug 2009 17:25 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE On August 4 we discussed the possibility of openSUSE defaulting to KDE during the installation routine. This was raised as a feature request within the openSUSE community, and quickly gained the favour of many, become the most popular request. The openSUSE board and variousother leader within the project have discussed the issue, and have decided that yes, from now on, openSUSE will default to KDE during the installation process.
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Somewhat odd ?
by KermitTheFragger on Thu 20th Aug 2009 18:17 UTC
KermitTheFragger
Member since:
2008-06-12

While I certainly welcome the change it somewhat caught me by surprise. I mean, OpenSuse, a Novell distro 'switches' to KDE while they have Miguel de Icaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza) employed.

Does anybody have any thoughts on that ?

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RE: Somewhat odd ?
by vivainio on Thu 20th Aug 2009 18:20 in reply to "Somewhat odd ?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

While I certainly welcome the change it somewhat caught me by surprise. I mean, OpenSuse, a Novell distro 'switches' to KDE while they have Miguel de Icaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza) employed.

Does anybody have any thoughts on that ?


All they did now was change the default on a radio button.

It's a good start, but not earth shattering news. For that, we'd have to see them pushing KDE on their "enterprise" distros.

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RE[2]: Somewhat odd ?
by sbergman27 on Fri 21st Aug 2009 02:54 in reply to "RE: Somewhat odd ?"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

All they did now was change the default on a radio button.

Perhaps they should take their cue from Microsoft's browser ballot plan. If the user selects Gnome then Gnome is installed. If the user selects KDE then Gnome and KDE are installed. KDE comes up by default, but there are icons on the desktop and in the panel to switch to Gnome.

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RE: Somewhat odd ?
by mgl.branco on Thu 20th Aug 2009 19:29 in reply to "Somewhat odd ?"
mgl.branco Member since:
2009-07-22

One thing is the Novell as an enterprise and other is the community driven Opensuse.SUSE has always been KDE oriented and most of SUSE's users use KDE, so preselecting KDE is simply a logical step.

The bold movement happened when Novell bought SUSE *and* Ximian the same year.

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RE: Somewhat odd ?
by KugelKurt on Thu 20th Aug 2009 20:06 in reply to "Somewhat odd ?"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

SUSE Enterprise will stay with GNOME. In fact, SLED does not even have a simple radio button where GNOME is pre-selected. SLED users have to dig into a submenu to select KDE, similar to the way Xfce and other environments have to be selected under openSUSE (SLED ships with no DEs other than GNOME 2.24 and KDE 4.1).

Edited 2009-08-20 20:07 UTC

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RE[2]: Somewhat odd ?
by segedunum on Fri 21st Aug 2009 12:29 in reply to "RE: Somewhat odd ?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

SUSE Enterprise will stay with GNOME. In fact, SLED does not even have a simple radio button where GNOME is pre-selected.

Funny. When I used NLD (this was a few years ago when it was called Novell Linux Desktop) there was and I got KDE installed pretty easily.

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RE[2]: Somewhat odd ?
by Stephen! on Mon 24th Aug 2009 14:42 in reply to "RE: Somewhat odd ?"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

(SLED ships with no DEs other than GNOME 2.24 and KDE 4.1).


How come they're still shipping with KDE 4.1?

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RE: Somewhat odd ?
by bralkein on Thu 20th Aug 2009 20:14 in reply to "Somewhat odd ?"
bralkein Member since:
2006-12-20

<cynicism>Well it would totally scupper their whole openFATE initiative and destroy the nice "community" image of OpenSuse if they just ignored the request, wouldn't it! </cynicism>

It is an interesting choice though, seeing as this creates really quite a divergence between OpenSuse and Novell's enterprise Linux offerings, which (IIRC) are solely GNOME-based. At the time of their decision to go with GNOME, Qt was still GPL or paid proprietary, so GTK/GNOME made an awful lot of sense. Qt would actually be a very viable choice these days, but I doubt they're about to change over, since they're quite heavily invested in GTK now I'd imagine. So I can't imagine that's the reason behind their choice.

Still. really this is great news for me as a KDE fan and I think for the power of end users everywhere. Nice one Novell! ;)

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RE[2]: Somewhat odd ?
by KugelKurt on Thu 20th Aug 2009 20:34 in reply to "RE: Somewhat odd ?"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Novell bought Ximian first and made the Ximian bosses the new bosses of Novell's new Linux division.
Only later SUSE was bought.

If Novell had bought SUSE first, the Linux product lineup would be very different. I'm sure.

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RE[2]: Somewhat odd ?
by Bille on Fri 21st Aug 2009 06:39 in reply to "RE: Somewhat odd ?"
Bille Member since:
2007-05-31

It is an interesting choice though, seeing as this creates really quite a divergence between OpenSuse and Novell's enterprise Linux offerings, which (IIRC) are solely GNOME-based.


SLED defaults to GNOME and there isn't a "desktop selection" page in the installer, but the KDE desktop and apps can be selected as well as or instead of GNOME in the installer's detailed software selection, or post-installation of course. This isn't publicised for complex reasons, but SLE customers tend to know what they are paying for and how to set it up. And Novell provides the same level of enterprise support for KDE.


Still. really this is great news for me as a KDE fan and I think for the power of end users everywhere. Nice one Novell! ;)

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RE: Somewhat odd ?
by somebody on Thu 20th Aug 2009 21:26 in reply to "Somewhat odd ?"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

I'm a die hard gnome... I don't have even one piece of desktop software on my computers which isn't gnome. I remove firefox, openoffice... and replace with smaller gnome alternatives.

But... I like this move very, very much. Suse always was wonderful kde distro (I know that from all my kde loving friends). Since they moved to gnome, it is the same feel as they would lose their game. Bad gnome, not finished kde. Maybe there is a hope they'll pick up where they left and return to former glory.

Beside that... There are to many gnome centric distros and too few kde.

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RE[2]: Somewhat odd ?
by KugelKurt on Fri 21st Aug 2009 15:52 in reply to "RE: Somewhat odd ?"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Bad gnome, not finished kde.

WTF? openSUSE is one of the best KDE distros. GNOME support is also top-notch. The only difference compared to most other GNOME distributions is the Slab menu, which can be reverted to the original with a few clicks.

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