Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Aug 2009 17:25 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE On August 4 we discussed the possibility of openSUSE defaulting to KDE during the installation routine. This was raised as a feature request within the openSUSE community, and quickly gained the favour of many, become the most popular request. The openSUSE board and variousother leader within the project have discussed the issue, and have decided that yes, from now on, openSUSE will default to KDE during the installation process.
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RE[5]: Somewhat odd ?
by griffinme on Fri 21st Aug 2009 12:03 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Somewhat odd ?"
griffinme
Member since:
2005-11-09

If that were the case then Microsoft would have made Visual Studio free years ago to bolster Windows's installed base still further, but they don't because developers are OK with paying for it.


http://www.microsoft.com/express/

Free.... I even got a copy of Pro for watching a few videos extolling the benefits of Visual Studio awhile back.

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RE[6]: Somewhat odd ?
by segedunum on Fri 21st Aug 2009 12:27 in reply to "RE[5]: Somewhat odd ?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Express is a token gesture to get people started with development because they know they can still charge for full-blown versions of Visual Studio and its tools, and people will pay. A whole Microsoft division depends on that. However, the fact that you got a token copy of Pro shows how the company feels about it overall within the context of bolstering Windows application support.

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RE[6]: Somewhat odd ?
by Ender2070 on Fri 21st Aug 2009 17:44 in reply to "RE[5]: Somewhat odd ?"
Ender2070 Member since:
2009-07-24

" If that were the case then Microsoft would have made Visual Studio free years ago to bolster Windows's installed base still further, but they don't because developers are OK with paying for it.


http://www.microsoft.com/express/

Free.... I even got a copy of Pro for watching a few videos extolling the benefits of Visual Studio awhile back.
"

That's not free as in freedom, its free as in beer.

That aside, the express editions are nothing compared to their full versions.

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RE[6]: Somewhat odd ?
by telns on Fri 21st Aug 2009 21:42 in reply to "RE[5]: Somewhat odd ?"
telns Member since:
2009-06-18

" If that were the case then Microsoft would have made Visual Studio free years ago to bolster Windows's installed base still further, but they don't because developers are OK with paying for it.


http://www.microsoft.com/express/

Free.... I even got a copy of Pro for watching a few videos extolling the benefits of Visual Studio awhile back.
"

Also, most developers working with VS are working on commercial software, be it open or closed source. I've had the chance to work on both with VS myself. In the scheme of things the cost of a VS Pro license is fairly small to the overall cost of the project. Not that license cost doesn't matter; it is just that it is worth spending if it saves one developer even one day's worth of time over the course of one project.

However, the upfront cost can be too high when first starting out or working on non-commercial software.

MS answers both groups with the Express vs Std/Pro/TS lines, as well as some specific programs to lower startup cost for commercial projects like its ISV program.

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