Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Sep 2009 23:27 UTC
Legal Late last week, we discussed the Apple vs. Psystar case (again), and in that article several points were raised which would be handled during a hearing Friday morning. Right after publishing said article, the law firm working for Psystar sent a general email to members of the press (including Groklaw and OSNews, among others) which contained the court order which resulted from this hearing. So to finalise these issues, let's walk through them so we can put the lid on this case for a while.
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RE[3]: Comment by JayDee
by rajan r on Tue 8th Sep 2009 09:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by JayDee"
rajan r
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2005-07-27

They may not sell ridiculously overpriced hardware, but the product cycle at Apple is much slower than most, nay, all PC manufacturers. Apple is also slower is reducing prices on older hardware, usually only doing it when new versions in that product line is released.

For example, a new MacBook may be priced competitively upon release, but a few months, its the same MacBook with the same specs and same price tag competing against newer laptops with better specs and better value.

And for desktops (i.e. Mac Pro - there isn't really a direct competitor to the iMac), Apple's disadvantage will be even more severe. The traditional consumers of Mac Pros (design houses, advertising agencies, creative departments, video editors, etc.) will have no incentive to buy Mac Pros when there are cheaper, better clones (hardware design doesn't really matter: how many of them have overpriced Apple displays?).

I honestly don't think Apple can compete in an hardware market without something completely differentiated from its competitors. Like, uhm, an operating system.

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RE[4]: Comment by JayDee
by memson on Tue 8th Sep 2009 11:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by JayDee"
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2006-01-01

Except my MacBook (late 2008 "Santa Rosa") feels faster than my work laptop, a Dell Lat D830, purchased in the same timeframe. The Dell has better graphics hardware (NVidia based) and more memory (2GB as opposed to 1GB om my MacBook - must get round to upgrading that.. lol)

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RE[5]: Comment by JayDee
by rajan r on Tue 8th Sep 2009 14:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by JayDee"
rajan r Member since:
2005-07-27

I wonder what's the main difference between your Dell and your Mac... something must explain the difference in speed and resource requirement... something like.. Oh, the operating system?

And that's precisely the point. Apple will find it hard to compete against Dell (or Sony or Lenovo or ...) if they had the same operating system as Apple.

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RE[5]: Comment by JayDee
by DrDankenstein on Tue 8th Sep 2009 21:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by JayDee"
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2009-09-07

Except my MacBook (late 2008 "Santa Rosa") feels faster than my work laptop, a Dell Lat D830, purchased in the same timeframe. The Dell has better graphics hardware (NVidia based) and more memory (2GB as opposed to 1GB om my MacBook - must get round to upgrading that.. lol)


i guess the bigger idea here is that apple is charging alot for a little, which is acceptable in business. In my shop we build Athlon II 2.9s with 2 gigs of ram, dvd burner and 250 sata hd. we charge xxx something for them, and they work great! dell on the other hand has the same system at a xxx something price point. why do we charge as much as we do?

support: you know how many times people will call you because AOL stopped working?

warranty: not everything goes as planned.

cost: we pay a price for theses parts, and we refuse to just break even after selling it, our techs are not in india where the pennies on the dollar mark up is more successful.

Dell may have the upper hand when buying units of 1000's plus, but our local customers have LOCAL support and LOCAL depot repair.

How this relates to the above coment by JayDee

I think if i were apple id be happy. its a successful business plan, and it works for them. Charging the same as dell for similar hard ware is only going to:

Make apple's dev costs skyrocket to insure hardware releases and refreshes because of new hardware kexts drivers, and of course buying new gear and marketing the shit every month. it would also end up being a support disaster: as new hardware is released, different service releases of leopard would have to be pressed every time a new IDE / SATA controller entered the ecosystem.

Why can dell do this?

Dell has the support of manufacturers behind them, while they use Windows (much as it sucks) they virtually pay nothing in development costs for drivers and OS releases, they just get the tax from uncle bill ever so often.

Support? yeah good luck, dell has always been a pain in the ass. With apple its not bad. and they will warranty apple care nicely. its worth it.

I guess the real question is, is what apple selling really worth what we pay for it?

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