Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Nov 2009 20:40 UTC
Windows Okay, so this is new. When it comes to graphical user interfaces, everyone is copying everyone, but you'll always find supporters of platform Abc claiming platform Xyz is stealing from them - and vice versa. Mac supporters have often stated that Vista and Windows 7 were copying from Apple, and according to Microsoft's partner group manager, Simon Aldous, this is true. Wait, what?
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It's not like everyone didn't already know
by haus on Wed 11th Nov 2009 20:52 UTC
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Member since:
2009-08-18

If they say that it's a misquote or something like Thom is suggesting, it will be because it's bad PR for the company rather than it being false.

Such blatant copying on Microsoft's part is something that is commonly known. The Microsoft apologists may try to sugar coat it by saying that inspiration goes both ways. I suppose that may be true on some level but I highly doubt that Apple holds up Microsoft's ideas as something to mimic. Rather, Apple may sometimes feel like they have to follow a design standard because it's more commonly in use because Microsoft populated it.

I've always believed that Microsoft on the other hand holds Apple's UIs up as a standard to try to achieve and this quote now confirms it.

Trying to outdo ones competition is something every business should aspire to do. If anyone is complaining about Microsoft its not that they copied but that they blatantly copy, copy poorly and rarely make improvements as a result.

Lets not muddy the waters anymore by implying that the copying is done equally. It does a disservice to the organizations who actually create and ship UI's that are both aesthetically pleasing as well as functional.

On a side note... Thom, apparently you're spending time on MDN too.

Edited 2009-11-11 21:06 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Then what exactly is being copied? I just don't get it. I have extensive experience with both desktops, and I just don't see it. Obviously, they are identical because they are both implementations of the exact same concept (just like GNOME or whatever), but if the bounds of the GUI world are set by the main environments out there, then I just don't see what Microsoft has so obviously copied from Mac OS X.

Enlighten me, please.

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KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Compositing window manager, Dock (not a verbatim copy, but strongly inspired), menubar-less application windows -- among other things.

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mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

Enlighten me, please.


Having used both OS's since Adam was in shorts, the morphing of Windows into Mac OS (graphically) has been very apparent. From the original Windows through 95 to XP, Windows concepts have progressively changed to be more like Mac OS, but graphically Windows always felt "plastic", easily broken. I believe his reference was to this aspect more-so than anything functional.

Windows 7 is the first Windows OS that, to me, feels solid, feels like it has substance. Using Windows has always felt like walking on eggshells, just waiting for something to break, but Windows 7's UI just feels more solid.

That's my take anyway, I certainly don't see anything any more functionally like OSX than it was in Vista...

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bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

Then what exactly is being copied? I just don't get it. I have extensive experience with both desktops, and I just don't see it. Obviously, they are identical because they are both implementations of the exact same concept (just like GNOME or whatever), but if the bounds of the GUI world are set by the main environments out there, then I just don't see what Microsoft has so obviously copied from Mac OS X.

Enlighten me, please.


It's that Windows 7 gets out of your way when you're trying to do something. Since Windows XP got the addition of Wizards, Windows has been all too helpful, especially when you didn't need it and were trying to get things done.

They wanted to streamline the user experience to lessen the frustration, which is pretty much how Mac OS has been from the beginning.

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Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

I don't see it either.

If we were talking DreamLinux or gOS... I might say yes.

Windows 7 looks nothing like MacOS. After using it for a week or two, I prefer Windows XP.

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

I think he meant to copy the easy of use. Anyway, all modern desktops "borrow" ideas from each other. Nothing wrong with that. There's no need to keep inventing the wheel when others have already done it.

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ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22

Then what exactly is being copied? I just don't get it. I have extensive experience with both desktops, and I just don't see it. Obviously, they are identical because they are both implementations of the exact same concept (just like GNOME or whatever), but if the bounds of the GUI world are set by the main environments out there, then I just don't see what Microsoft has so obviously copied from Mac OS X.

Enlighten me, please.


The only thing I can think of is there is a change to sidebar of course, that no longer sticks up on the side of any window. As it is now there is a much leaner look having just the gadgets on the desktop. Included of course is the all encompassing glass effect from the task bar to any windows title bar. This does present a much more uniform and clean look, something I think many would also ascribe to OSX. My impression of this interview was that Microsoft simply wanted to have a more uncluttered look and feel, which is what they looked to OSX for inspiration. I don't think there should be any time wasted looking for specifics because they simply are not there.

And if the Win7 GUI is inspired by OSX, then a thank you to Apple and their design team is in order as I do like the GUI hundredfold more than Vista and XP.

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ndrw Member since:
2009-06-30

Probably nothing.

It's just about this phrase taken out of context:
"...create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics"

Which is in fact very unfortunate wording. The whole paragraph is about _matching_ Mac's UI features which is IMHO rather good thing.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Rather, Apple may sometimes feel like they have to follow a design standard because it's more commonly in use because Microsoft populated it.


Wow, talk about apologists sugaring it up.

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