Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:54 UTC
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2006-02-05

just watched this http://www.opera.com/freedom/, and I don't think I have ever seen anything so mind rendingly dumb.

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RE: wow...
by linumax on Tue 24th Nov 2009 06:30 in reply to "wow..."
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2007-02-07

Rather offtopic, but I just find the freedom in the link you posted rather funny, considering Opera just caved in to demands of Chinese overlords and agreed to provide a censored version of Opera Mini to Chinese users.

( http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63015016 )

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RE[2]: wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 13:22 in reply to "RE: wow..."
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2006-02-05

The whole idea that servers are "the man" on the internet, and are out there keeping the PC down, until now opera came along with their P2P software to bring power to the masses is retarded on so many levels. Opera is pretty much marketing to a tech audience, they shouldn't be saying things that are so inaccurate they are almost offensive to someone who understands computers.

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RE[2]: wow...
by Laurence on Tue 24th Nov 2009 13:49 in reply to "RE: wow..."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Rather offtopic, but I just find the freedom in the link you posted rather funny, considering Opera just caved in to demands of Chinese overlords and agreed to provide a censored version of Opera Mini to Chinese users.

( http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63015016 )


Most companies (Google included) have been forced to do that though.
After all, it's better that, than providing no product what-so-ever (which was the alternive posed)

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RE[2]: wow...
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 18:22 in reply to "RE: wow..."
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2009-08-20

Opera is just complying with local laws. Just like Google, Microsoft and Yahoo did before them, remember?

When the Chinese government knocks on your door, the last thing you want to do is to piss them off.

Also, Opera is not providing a censored version. It was ordered to only allow Chinese people to use the Chinese people. While they are behind the firewall, it isn't Opera doing the censoring.

So basically, you are talking nonsense.

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RE: wow...
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 18:21 in reply to "wow..."
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2009-08-20

What's dumb about it? I don't get it.

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RE[2]: wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 18:50 in reply to "RE: wow..."
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2006-02-05

Servers are not super computers that control our lives. They are just like other computers, just running a certain kind of software. There is nothing unique about unite, peer to peer networks with limited decentralization have been around and quite popular for almost a decade. You have just the same amount of freedom when sharing files using one of about a billion server based free file sharing services, or any of the many popular existing peer to peer file sharing services as unite. In fact, you have significantly MORE freedom with something like GNUtella, since you don't have to agree to a fairly restrictive agreement, and you aren't going through a single companies proxy server to do it.

Client/Server vs P2P have nothing to do with the idea of freedom vs no freedom. The lack of freedom on the internet is something like what happens when a governament filters the web usage of a country, so as to maintain propaganda. Calling a computer not having installed some sort of server software oppressed trivializes the whole idea of what freedom actually is.

I am working on my dev machine right now, which has four different servers installed on it. Does that make me oppressive? Do I rule your life on the web because I have servers installed on my machine and you don't on yours? Will installing opera unite on your machine have any effect on my machine, or the role it is playing? How about my rackspace box? It is an order of magnitude more powerful then PCs. Does it have any effect on you? Do you have an effect on it?

The premise of the campaign is moronic. It uses politically charged terminology to describe problems that don't exist, trying to paint their product as something that people actually need or care about.

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