Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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RE[5]: wow...
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 22:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: wow..."
wumip
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2009-08-20

Ok, fine. Lets look at the other use cases and see how unique they are:

Yeah, they created some demo applications to start off. Other people have contributed with collaborative drawing boards, backup/synchronization over the net, etc. This is just the beginning. Unite is completely new.

If you can't see how computers being able to communicate instead of just being passive members of the web has huge potential, I guess that's your own problems.

Yeah, they are really pushing the bar.

Again, they are just some demos for some obvious use cases.

You also are agreeing to allow them to reuse, edit, or block access to your content arbitrarily, without warning, and without telling anyone.

Nope. They will require a court order to block your account, and even so, you don't have to use their servers to get a domain name.

And my point is that servers have no impact on anything that be construed as "freedom", and that you have ALWAYS had a choice to run your own server, since servers are just software.

YOU had that choice. 99% of the population never did. They do now.

Again, they are using politically charged words to promote something that is not new, innovative

It is indeed new and innovative, in that anyone can use it, and many of the applications are things you can't do with just Apache anyway.

Edited 2009-11-24 22:24 UTC

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RE[6]: wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 22:34 in reply to "RE[5]: wow..."
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2006-02-05

collaborative drawing boards: http://www.dabbleboard.com/
backup/synchronization over the net: https://www.dropbox.com/

Both of these services are absolutely fantastic. This is what I am saying, if you want this stuff, it is there. If you want to self host, a lot of times there are packaged solutions as well.

If you can't see how computers being able to communicate instead of just being passive members of the web has huge potential, I guess that's your own problems.


There has been no such thing as a "passive web" for at LEAST a decade. Maybe thats the problem, have you ever heard of things like facebook, flickr, myspace, twitter, youtube? What problem does unite solve that has not already been solved for years in dozens of different ways?

Nope. They will require a court order to block your account, and even so, you don't have to use their servers to get a domain name.


This is what I was referring to, it is from their EULA

You agree not to use Opera Unite to upload, transfer or otherwise make available files, images, code, materials, or other information or content that is obscene, vulgar, hateful, threatening, or that violates any laws or third-party rights, hereunder but not limited to third-party intellectual property rights. We do not claim ownership of any User Generated Content. However, by submitting User Generated Content to us, you grant us and our affiliates the right and limited license to use, copy, display, perform, distribute and adapt this User Generated Content for the purpose of carrying out the Services.

You agree that we are not liable for User Generated Content that is provided by others. We have no duty to pre-screen User Generated Content, but we have the right to refuse to post, edit, or deliver submitted User Generated Content. We reserve the right to remove User Generated Content for any reason, but we are not responsible for any failure or delay in removing such material. We reserve the right to block any user’s access to any content, web site or web page in our sole discretion. Opera Software ASA reserves the right to terminate your account if you use your account privileges to unlawfully transmit copyrighted material without a license, valid defense or fair use privilege to do so.


YOU had that choice. 99% of the population never did. They do now.
No. Server software can be installed on any computer, just like client software. Its just software.

Its sort of like Opera saying "For years, PCs have been browsing the internet using web browsers. This is a privilege denied to servers. WELL NOT ANYMORE. Now you can install browsers on Servers too! Welcome to freedom." It is just as silly.

It is indeed new and innovative, in that anyone can use it, and many of the applications are things you can't do with just Apache anyway.


Who can't use dropbox? Or flickr? Or facebook?

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RE[7]: wow...
by wumip on Wed 25th Nov 2009 07:56 in reply to "RE[6]: wow..."
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

collaborative drawing boards: http://www.dabbleboard.com/
backup/synchronization over the net: https://www.dropbox.com/

Yeah, relying on someone else again. Unite lets you do all this without having to go through someone else's servers. Also, Unite makes these possible in one place, while you have to use several different sites.

This is what I am saying, if you want this stuff, it is there.

Except run by someone else, not as easy to set up, etc.

There has been no such thing as a "passive web" for at LEAST a decade. Maybe thats the problem, have you ever heard of things like facebook, flickr, myspace, twitter, youtube? What problem does unite solve that has not already been solved for years in dozens of different ways?

That your computer can accept incoming requests from browsers. For example, the Opera guys remote controlled an RC car using Unite. You can do that with anything. Any device would be able to accept commands from a simple browser.

This is what I was referring to, it is from their EULA

Yes, exactly like your ISP's EULA tells you not to break the law. Your point being?

Its sort of like Opera saying "For years, PCs have been browsing the internet using web browsers. This is a privilege denied to servers. WELL NOT ANYMORE. Now you can install browsers on Servers too! Welcome to freedom." It is just as silly.

No it isn't because Unite opens completely new possibilities.

Who can't use dropbox? Or flickr? Or facebook?

You are looking at limited use cases again. Unite is so much more than just file sharing.

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