Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Dec 2009 23:41 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Time. Coming. Long. Put these in the appropriate order, and you'll get my reaction to this news. Nokia has announced that it is planning a major overhaul of the user interface to the Symbian operating system, still the most popular smartphone platform in the world.
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Microsoft or Nokia
by tony on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 08:05 UTC
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I wonder who woke up and found themselves more behind, Microsoft or Nokia? Nokia has a huge market share, but absolutely no momentum. All the exciting stuff is happening in the Droid, iPhone, and even Pre areas. Microsoft has more resources than anyone to throw at the problem.

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RE: Microsoft or Nokia
by essdeekay on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 08:46 in reply to "Microsoft or Nokia"
essdeekay Member since:
2006-01-31

Droid: Motorola
iPhone: Apple
Pre: Palm

All three of the companies listed above have had periods when some people thought that they were close to collapse. So although certain Nokia products are not generating the same amount of market interest at the moment, that bears no relation to how future products might perform.

By all accounts the N900 is proving to be a very versatile and capable device, although I'm more interested in the reportedly upcoming capacitive touchscreen version.

I say all this as a current N97 user, which is one of the key examples of where Nokia does get things wrong - it should never have shipped with its original firmware whatsoever.

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RE[2]: Microsoft or Nokia
by Moochman on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 11:10 in reply to "RE: Microsoft or Nokia"
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2005-07-06

I say all this as a current N97 user, which is one of the key examples of where Nokia does get things wrong - it should never have shipped with its original firmware whatsoever.


Is the newer firmware better? What does it improve? Just curious since I haven't heard too many reports on the N97 since the initial wave of disappointed-sounding reviews.

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RE: Microsoft or Nokia
by Kroc on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 09:05 in reply to "Microsoft or Nokia"
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2005-11-10

All of the above. The entire mobile phone industry has had its finger where the sun don’t shine for the last 10 years.

There was nothing preventing them from making a device like the iPhone, they simply did not have the imagination and motivation to do so.

And they still don’t. I don’t like the idea, but I can readily see Apple becoming No.1 in market share. It’s iPod all over again. Rather than do anything outstandingly new, Apple’s competitors get stuck in panic loops where they deride each new things Apple does and then struggle to catch up with their copies.

Maemo should be their focus. Symbian is a dead end, and when they get to that end they are going to find that they have cornered themselves and are hopelessly behind the iPhone with no chance of catch up.

One platform. One OS. Iterate.

That’s all Apple’s doing. That’s it guys, it’s not hard.

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RE[2]: Microsoft or Nokia
by spiderman on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 09:16 in reply to "RE: Microsoft or Nokia"
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2008-10-23

The iPhone lasts 2 to 3 days in normal usage. It has 1% or so of market share and is unlikely to get past 5% top. Most people want a phone to make calls and they want the battery to last well over their long week-ends. Then also want it to be as small as possible and they want to be able to share their funny pics with friends, borrow their battery when their one is exhausted (how many times that happened to me!). And they don't even want to pay for it, or maybe $1. The iPhone is far from there.

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RE[2]: Microsoft or Nokia
by vivainio on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 09:16 in reply to "RE: Microsoft or Nokia"
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2008-12-26

And they still don’t. I don’t like the idea, but I can readily see Apple becoming No.1 in market share. It’s iPod all over again.

Nah. The open technology stack in Maemo will be the more appealing one to third party developers, compared to iPhone and even Android.

Apples lead at "phone-as-computer" is fleeting, we are talking about 1-3 years tops.

I'm personally working to that end ;-).

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RE[2]: Microsoft or Nokia
by Moochman on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 11:28 in reply to "RE: Microsoft or Nokia"
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2005-07-06

Believe it or not, but the iPhone is still too expensive for a lot of people. Nokia wants to cover the sector of the market that the iPhone doesn't touch. And I can only applaud them for it--more smartphones in more people's hands can only be a good thing for the industry as a whole.

I generally agree with your point about Apple being the only manufacturer with a clue, though. Not only has the software side been unimaginative all these years, but Apple is the only manufacturer in the computer or the phone biz that has figured out that you don't need millions of models to be successful.

To some extent, customers *like* their choices being limited, if it means that every model they buy does exactly what they expect and does it well. The problem with the rest of the computer, mobile phone, and consumer electronics industry (and even the U.S. car industry) is that they think there needs to be one model per every "type" of consumer--and then they end up with half of their models being mediocre, and every one of them being the result of compromises. Not to mention that the names of products are then cryptic number/letter combinations that hardly anyone can remember.

I'm not saying Nokia needs to take it to the extreme that Apple has taken it--I like some of the choice it provides. But I don't think it would hurt it to limit its variety just a little bit. For instance, how many models of mid-priced Nokia candybar phones do we need? Might it not be better to have one iconic model available at any given time?

Edited 2009-12-03 11:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Microsoft or Nokia
by Cymro on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 11:41 in reply to "RE: Microsoft or Nokia"
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2005-07-07

Writing Symbian off due to current poor end-user-experience is very superficial IMO.

I was sad to witness the extraordinary little OS that powered my Psion Revo become the stuttering mess that I found on my Nokia N73, but it its heart, Symbian is still an extremely capable platform. It's proved itself more than capable of powering a netbook like the Psion Series 7.

It needs a totally new interface, but having played with KDE 4 a little, I see no reason at all why a Symbian+QT4 can't be every bit modern as Android, iPhoneOS or webOS, or offer the kind of platform that developers want to work on.

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RE: Microsoft or Nokia
by spiderman on Thu 3rd Dec 2009 09:06 in reply to "Microsoft or Nokia"
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2008-10-23

That's like saying compiz killed GNOME and KDE.
The exiting stuff you talk about is just GUI. Everything else is there in Symbian and more. The other OSes you cited are still behind Symbian for the rest. The GUI is being fixed.

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