Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Oct 2005 13:16 UTC
Features, Office This week, Microsoft announced that, with the next version of Office, it will support saving files to Adobe's Portable Document Format, or PDF. While logical, the move raises questions about how the PDF support will coexist with Windows Vista's move to its own page description format, known as Metro. Sinofsky [Microsoft Senior Vice President] also addressed how Microsoft views the controversy surrounding Massachusetts' mandate for the OpenDocument standard.
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RE[2]: OpenDocument
by Clinton on Tue 4th Oct 2005 15:29 UTC in reply to "RE: OpenDocument"
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2005-07-05

How the hell can he say that he hasn't heard of any demands from customers directly following a question about a customer that has made the news for dumping Microsoft for not supporting any open formats?

Simple. Because he is a liar.

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RE[3]: OpenDocument
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 4th Oct 2005 15:36 in reply to "RE[2]: OpenDocument"
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2005-06-29

Simple. Because he is a liar.

I do believe him on this. Besides nerds, nobody gave a damn about OpenDocument (let's be real about this, please), or even knew about it. Only recently did this issue arise, with Mass.' switch and all.

In the coming years, MS may see a demand. But before now, I believe him when he says his customers aren't asking for it. Nobody is using OpenDocument, people. Yet, that is.

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RE[4]: OpenDocument
by on Tue 4th Oct 2005 15:57 in reply to "RE[3]: OpenDocument"
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I do believe him on this. Besides nerds, nobody gave a damn about OpenDocument

Listen and get this into your head the state of Mass. asked them for Open Document suport and they are an MS customer (a large one at that).

Furthermore the European Commission a much larger customer has explicitly asked MS for Open Document support.

It is simple the man is a liar.

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RE[4]: OpenDocument
by segedunum on Tue 4th Oct 2005 18:39 in reply to "RE[3]: OpenDocument"
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2005-07-06

Besides nerds, nobody gave a damn about OpenDocument (let's be real about this, please), or even knew about it. Only recently did this issue arise, with Mass.' switch and all.

Nobody gives a damn about file formats in general. All that they ask is that they can save a doument and open it, preferably in any situation that they're in. Open Document gives people a better and much more reliable way of doing that. They don't know it, but that's the benefit - albeit a large indirect one.

In the coming years, MS may see a demand. But before now, I believe him when he says his customers aren't asking for it.

That's standard Microsoft speak. When they don't like something and they won't implement it then customers aren't asking for it, and when they implement something they want to do customers are asking for it.

How much demand is there for Microsoft new XML file formats (probably loaded with binary data)? None, that's how much, but Office users are going to get it anyway.

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RE[4]: OpenDocument
by on Tue 4th Oct 2005 21:19 in reply to "RE[3]: OpenDocument"
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I've been using OpenDocument format for some time; actually. In case you were curious.

You are completely wrong. Common folk don't know what file formats are, but you can guarantee that when Grandma Average sends a WordPerfect document over to Aunt Layman, who only uses Word, she wants to be able to read the document. OpenDocument addresses that. Just because somebody doesn't know how to articulate a problem (or has been brainwashed into thinking there isn't a solution) it doesn't mean there isn't demand.

Also, as others have so keenly pointed out, some rather large customers have been asking for it explicitly. By name. So, for Sinofsky to say, "gee, we haven't really had any customers request that" is an out and out lie.

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RE[4]: OpenDocument
by on Wed 5th Oct 2005 05:16 in reply to "RE[3]: OpenDocument"
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"Besides nerds, nobody gave a damn about OpenDocument"

Right, because average Joe user hasn't a clue about file formats etc, doesn't understand the terms future proof, interoperability etc.

Are you saying that because people without an understanding of technology don't care, it isn't important? Are you advocating that those without a clue should set the agenda? If they did, we would not have alternative OSs at all, because only nerds care about them. Great argument. I would think you are a closet Microsoftie, except you don't appear to be in the closet anymore.

By talking about nerds, are you trying to paint yourself as something other than one? You're a big jock or what? Way to get in good with your audience. "You are all nerds! I am not! I don't care about open document. You do, because you are nerds! Not me, I am cool!" Take a running leap.

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