Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Dec 2009 11:25 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems In a very unsurprising move, Psystar is closing up shop. It will fire its eight employees, and be done with it. There isn't more to say, really, except this: one down, at least four to go, of which three in Europe. Good luck bullying those three, Apple. Update: Psystar's lawyers have stated that the original story wasn't true. Psystar will continue to litigate the legality of Rebel EFI through the motion process described by Judge Alsup. They will also continue the Florida case.
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Not sorry to see them go
by theosib on Sat 19th Dec 2009 00:32 UTC
theosib
Member since:
2006-03-02

And by that I mean _specifically_ Pystar. It's one thing to produce Apple clones. It's entirely another to produce substandard PCs that run MacOS badly and potentially make Apple look bad.

You know, half of the problems with Windows are Microsoft's fault. The other half are caused by the hardware vendors. Unreliable hardware, poorly-designed hardware, and broken drivers.

Well, perhaps one reason Apple doesn't license clones is because they're afraid of the clone maker tainting the Apple image like PC makers taint Microsoft's image. (Of course, the main reason is that Apple makes most of their money from hardware, so from an engineering perspective, they don't earn much from selling MacOS.)

Now, I WOULD be sad if Pystar had been making SUPERIOR hardware. People like to rave about how great Apple's hardware is. And compared to a lot of PCs, it is very good. But Apple hardware isn't perfect. I've encountered my share of difficulties. It would be cool if some company made BETTER hardware.

The thing about Pystar is that they did lots of questonable things, like sell machines that were over-clocked. One reviewer talked about how he had to change the clock speed settings to normal values in order to get the machine to be stable. If an end user wants to over-clock their machine, fine. But it's damn stupid for a hardware vendor to sell hardware that has a high probability of being unstable. I've tinkered plenty with overclocking, and it's an artform that needs a lot of extensive testing and tweaking.

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RE: Not sorry to see them go
by bousozoku on Sat 19th Dec 2009 00:48 in reply to "Not sorry to see them go"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23


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Now, I WOULD be sad if Pystar had been making SUPERIOR hardware. People like to rave about how great Apple's hardware is. And compared to a lot of PCs, it is very good. But Apple hardware isn't perfect. I've encountered my share of difficulties. It would be cool if some company made BETTER hardware.

The thing about Pystar is that they did lots of questonable things, like sell machines that were over-clocked. One reviewer talked about how he had to change the clock speed settings to normal values in order to get the machine to be stable. If an end user wants to over-clock their machine, fine. But it's damn stupid for a hardware vendor to sell hardware that has a high probability of being unstable. I've tinkered plenty with overclocking, and it's an artform that needs a lot of extensive testing and tweaking.


Having had a PowerComputing PowerCenter Mac clone in the mid-1990s, I've seen other companies sell Mac OS-compatible hardware that was better than what Apple was selling and it nearly put Apple in the cemetery.

Psystar wasn't doing anything remarkable. They won't be missed and people will still be able to create their own Hackintosh for a while.

I hope this goes a long way to keep Apple from going to great lengths to secure Mac OS X to machine serial numbers or some other kind of identification and possibly raising the price.

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RE[2]: Not sorry to see them go
by tyrione on Sat 19th Dec 2009 03:15 in reply to "RE: Not sorry to see them go"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"
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Now, I WOULD be sad if Pystar had been making SUPERIOR hardware. People like to rave about how great Apple's hardware is. And compared to a lot of PCs, it is very good. But Apple hardware isn't perfect. I've encountered my share of difficulties. It would be cool if some company made BETTER hardware.

The thing about Pystar is that they did lots of questonable things, like sell machines that were over-clocked. One reviewer talked about how he had to change the clock speed settings to normal values in order to get the machine to be stable. If an end user wants to over-clock their machine, fine. But it's damn stupid for a hardware vendor to sell hardware that has a high probability of being unstable. I've tinkered plenty with overclocking, and it's an artform that needs a lot of extensive testing and tweaking.


Having had a PowerComputing PowerCenter Mac clone in the mid-1990s, I've seen other companies sell Mac OS-compatible hardware that was better than what Apple was selling and it nearly put Apple in the cemetery.

Psystar wasn't doing anything remarkable. They won't be missed and people will still be able to create their own Hackintosh for a while.

I hope this goes a long way to keep Apple from going to great lengths to secure Mac OS X to machine serial numbers or some other kind of identification and possibly raising the price.
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PowerComputing was not putting Apple into the cemetery. Apple was putting itself into the cemetery.

The dbase of customers taken from Apple by Power was just around 230k.

I was there at Apple and saw the stats.

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RE: Not sorry to see them go
by Janvl on Sat 19th Dec 2009 18:01 in reply to "Not sorry to see them go"
Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

PC makers taint Microsoft's image.


Here is an example of "lack of intelligence", what good is an operating system without hardware?

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

" PC makers taint Microsoft's image.


Here is an example of "lack of intelligence", what good is an operating system without hardware?
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Actually, I think the primary method that PC makers use to destroy the windows experience is by installing a million "craplets". Usually these are crummy ad-infested apps that want you to sign up for a service, or are so badly written that they drag the machine performance to its knees, while the PC builder gets kickbacks from companies that write them to help offset the costs allowing them to price the machines more competitively in the market.

This whole situation is basically avoided by Apple.

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RE[2]: Not sorry to see them go
by theosib on Sun 20th Dec 2009 00:20 in reply to "RE: Not sorry to see them go"
theosib Member since:
2006-03-02

Exactly. Bad hardware ruins the experience just as much as a bad OS. Windows isn't very good. But unreliable hardware makes the experience even worse.

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