Linked by bcavally on Mon 21st Dec 2009 17:18 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Today there are many operating systems available. Every vendor or community round it tries to make it as good as possible. Having different goals, different legacy and different cultures, they succeed in it more or less. We (end users) end up with big selection of operating systems, but for us the operating systems are usually compromise of the features that we would like to have. So is there an operating system that would fit all the needs of the end user? Is is the BeOS clone Haiku?
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kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Why do people always dig out the unix-haters book when it comes to criticising Linux/Unix/X. That book was written in 1994! Some of the criticism might have applied then but a lot is simply not valid any more.

Sure X has had problems, as have many other systems, here's an article from LWN.net which recaps the history of X and does address some of the problems.
http://lwn.net/Articles/354408/


You're right about many of the problems having already been solved; libX11 has been replaced with libxcb - but how many projects have fully moved to libxcb? gtk+ is still hobbling along using a weird Frankenstein mess of X11 and gdk, so you never are able to clearly migrate away from X11 without having to do major surgery underneath it.

Then there is performance issues, integration issues, issues relating to memory and battery performance etc. It is a disaster and unfortunately none of the major vendors who do use it are willing to put the necessary dollars and man power into Xorg to address the short comings.

The current state in the *NIX world is abysmal - and any attempt to fix the problems are met with abuse as I experienced at the hands of the GIMP developers.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

The current state in the *NIX world is abysmal - and any attempt to fix the problems are met with abuse as I experienced at the hands of the GIMP developers.


Yea I ran into this too. I was given a hostile reaction even when I could show that most users were not happy with the status quo.

There's too much blind defense of the status quo in the nix world. I was hoping that OSX would shake things up a bitby showing that Unix could be reformed for the desktop but that didn't happen. Criticism is still taken as if it was forwarded from bgates. There's also clear lack of desire on the part of open source developers to make Linux more appealing to the mainstream.

I tried out KDE 4.3 a while back and it just got on my nerves to the point where I wanted to put on openbox and set my system up from the command line. That's how I felt about KDE in 2002. OSX is what Linux should have been by now. I don't see much changing anytime soon especially now that it is clear that Google is not going to fund a major overhaul.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Yea I ran into this too. I was given a hostile reaction even when I could show that most users were not happy with the status quo.


What annoyed me the most was that if the complaints weren't followed up with contributions I could understand why the developers would be unhappy. The reality that I not only complained but I wrote a 70+ page PDF outlining how GIMP could be improved with UI mock ups and so forth. I was booted out of the GIMP IRC development channel then banned - really shows the pathetic immaturity of the GIMP developers.

There's too much blind defense of the status quo in the nix world. I was hoping that OSX would shake things up a bitby showing that Unix could be reformed for the desktop but that didn't happen. Criticism is still taken as if it was forwarded from bgates. There's also clear lack of desire on the part of open source developers to make Linux more appealing to the mainstream.


I pretty much gave up on the *NIX world when in 8/9 years since Mac OS X release there has been but only moderate improvements have occured in the *NIX world. Still riddled with Xorg, still riddled with two desktops that does a lot things but very poorly, and the applications are no further ahead when it comes to ease of use and general visual appeal.

I tried out KDE 4.3 a while back and it just got on my nerves to the point where I wanted to put on openbox and set my system up from the command line. That's how I felt about KDE in 2002. OSX is what Linux should have been by now. I don't see much changing anytime soon especially now that it is clear that Google is not going to fund a major overhaul.


I actually have more hope in Haiku-OS turning into the operating system people want - the only thing holding it back is hardware support. Once the basis of Haiku-OS is laid then it is easy to move it to a multi-user system and update the underlying display engine, couple that with drivers - I can see software vendors more willing to support a niche operating system that isn't a mish-mash of different competing technologies, a single desktop with a single widget kit.

Edited 2009-12-23 01:21 UTC

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