Linked by bcavally on Mon 21st Dec 2009 17:18 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Today there are many operating systems available. Every vendor or community round it tries to make it as good as possible. Having different goals, different legacy and different cultures, they succeed in it more or less. We (end users) end up with big selection of operating systems, but for us the operating systems are usually compromise of the features that we would like to have. So is there an operating system that would fit all the needs of the end user? Is is the BeOS clone Haiku?
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RE: Haiku's UI dated?
by HappyGod on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 04:53 UTC in reply to "Haiku's UI dated?"
HappyGod
Member since:
2005-10-19

OK, first up, I've never used Haiku (or BeOS), so I'm basing my opinions purely off your screenshots. You can correct me anywhere the real-life experience differs from what I mention here.

It looks dated because:

1. The icons look cartoon-like. This is not allowed these days. Compare the windows7 trash icon with the Haiku equivalent. You want realism, and you want hi-res.

2. It's all a bit grey. Title-bars, buttons, scrollbars, menus etc, are all Soviet Russia. These days you want some colour here and there.

3. Soften it up. Every window, button and control appears to have sharp corners. 90 degree corners == 90's styling.

4. Integrated 3D effects are not an option. Must have.

I'd just like to add that although these things make the OS look dated, I actually prefer it.

The first thing I do to either Linux or Windows is turn off all the 3D crap, and set the colour scheme to military grey.

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RE[2]: Haiku's UI dated?
by stippi on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 09:33 in reply to "RE: Haiku's UI dated?"
stippi Member since:
2006-01-19

Ok, thanks for the specific replies.

* I applied the round corners for the tab control, and I am not opposed to using it more in the UI, but to my own taste, I don't associate "modern" with the round corners. I find the sharp edges just as stylish. To me, the soft gradients are much more important for a stylish look and I also applied a faint glossy look to some controls, but I really hate the over-obvious glossy look. Also note that the round corners take considerably more computing resources. Since they are not important to me personally to define a stylish look, I just left them out.

* The missing 3D acceleration is just something we have to live with for the time being. It is being worked on, but it's not there yet and obviously the developer could need more help. Without that, shadows are a no-go. I do think they improve clarity on the desktop, although it is totally overdone in Mac OSX for example.

* The grey UI is actually on purpose. I have produced some content creation apps for BeOS/Haiku and I work in this field for a living. You cannot have your entire Screen tainted from a neutral grey like in the default Ubuntu setup as that will offset your eyes and you cannot procude visual content that way. It's like your entire monitor has a badly shifted white-point. That being said, the Haiku GUI has exactly as much color spots in it as for example the Windows 7 UI (checkmarks, radio buttons and a color for the focus control). Only the window decor has a little more color by default in Windows 7... and when you hover/click controls.

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RE[3]: Haiku's UI dated?
by Michael Oliveira on Wed 23rd Dec 2009 15:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Haiku's UI dated?"
Michael Oliveira Member since:
2005-07-07

* I applied the round corners for the tab control, and I am not opposed to using it more in the UI, but to my own taste, I don't associate "modern" with the round corners. I find the sharp edges just as stylish. To me, the soft gradients are much more important for a stylish look and I also applied a faint glossy look to some controls, but I really hate the over-obvious glossy look. Also note that the round corners take considerably more computing resources. Since they are not important to me personally to define a stylish look, I just left them out.


So.. where is the code for download? and screenshots? ;)

* The missing 3D acceleration is just something we have to live with for the time being. It is being worked on, but it's not there yet and obviously the developer could need more help. Without that, shadows are a no-go. I do think they improve clarity on the desktop, although it is totally overdone in Mac OSX for example.

And for translucid Windows?

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RE[2]: Haiku's UI dated?
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 18:01 in reply to "RE: Haiku's UI dated?"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

1. The icons look cartoon-like. This is not allowed these days. Compare the windows7 trash icon with the Haiku equivalent. You want realism, and you want hi-res.


Just from a subjective taste point of view, I've always liked the BeOS icons. To me, the cartoonish-but-clean/minimalist quality makes them look like updated MacOS Classic icons (similar style, but not as "flat"). And I like that BeOS/Haiku icons typically use a consistent visual perspective. While I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker/maker, looking at a Windows desktop always irritates my aesthetic sensibilities (some icons use a straight-on perspective, some are isometric viewed from the left, some from the right, etc).

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