Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Jan 2010 20:01 UTC
Internet Explorer It would appear that Microsoft will finally take standards compliance in the browser world seriously, after dragging its feet for years. Back in November 2009, the Redmond giant already revealed that Internet Explorer 9 would come with CSS3 and HTML5 support, and now the cup runneth over, as Microsoft has requested to join the W3C's SVG Working Group.
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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by spiderman on Thu 7th Jan 2010 10:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23

I don't see the real urgency, when today, now, at this moment, you can write RIAs in Silverlight and be more productive than with anything HTML5/SVG/CSS3 could possibly offer up.

Nice additions sure, but its not the end of the world. Flash just gives plugin based RIAs a bad name, Silverlight runs circles around it performance wise.

Silverlight still does things faster than every browsers Javascript implementation, especially with the GPU support in Silverlight3.

Silversight does not replace SVG!
SVG is accessible and can even be rendered on text browsers, blind people can get a description, etc...
Silversight is designed to replace java and in my opinion is inferior to java anyway. Java has many implementions on many platforms. It runs on AIX as well as on S40. Nobody uses Silversight on the Web, except Microsoft.
Really, this has nothing to do with SVG. SVG can be tightly integrated into xhtml and you can do whatever you want with XSL. Silversight is for annoying ads that you won't be able to block on 80% of desktop computers.

Edited 2010-01-07 10:53 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Nelson on Thu 7th Jan 2010 19:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Silversight does not replace SVG!
SVG is accessible and can even be rendered on text browsers, blind people can get a description, etc...
Silversight is designed to replace java and in my opinion is inferior to java anyway. Java has many implementions on many platforms. It runs on AIX as well as on S40. Nobody uses Silversight on the Web, except Microsoft.


XAML is a markup language for UI layout and vector drawing. SVG is used for vector drawing, but for UI layout it's really not anywhere near XAML which offers the tightest object model integration of any declarative markup out there.

It seamlessly merges vector drawing with layout positioning as opposed to in XHTML where there is a hard distinction.


Silversight is for annoying ads that you won't be able to block on 80% of desktop computers.


Silverlight includes a subset of the .NET Framework. C# code executed by Silverlight is faster than any Javascript implementation out there.

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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by spiderman on Thu 7th Jan 2010 22:00 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


XAML is a markup language for UI layout and vector drawing. SVG is used for vector drawing, but for UI layout it's really not anywhere near XAML which offers the tightest object model integration of any declarative markup out there.

It seamlessly merges vector drawing with layout positioning as opposed to in XHTML where there is a hard distinction.

Silverlight includes a subset of the .NET Framework. C# code executed by Silverlight is faster than any Javascript implementation out there.

I believe there is no point in silversight, java or flash in the browser anyway. What a browser does is render xhtml. If what you want is RIA, then just skip the browser. XHTML separates content from layout and positioning. Blind and semi-blind people can read content, disabled people can click on links with their head, people with old computers can read the text... It's what xhtml is about. SVG is a nice addition because it is accessible too and it integrates nicely in xhtml and CSS. If you don't use XHTML in the browser, then just don't use a browser!

Edited 2010-01-07 22:01 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by StaubSaugerNZ on Thu 7th Jan 2010 19:23 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
StaubSaugerNZ Member since:
2007-07-13

"I don't see the real urgency, when today, now, at this moment, you can write RIAs in Silverlight and be more productive than with anything HTML5/SVG/CSS3 could possibly offer up.

Nice additions sure, but its not the end of the world. Flash just gives plugin based RIAs a bad name, Silverlight runs circles around it performance wise.

Silverlight still does things faster than every browsers Javascript implementation, especially with the GPU support in Silverlight3.

Silversight does not replace SVG!
SVG is accessible and can even be rendered on text browsers, blind people can get a description, etc...
Silversight is designed to replace java and in my opinion is inferior to java anyway. Java has many implementions on many platforms. It runs on AIX as well as on S40. Nobody uses Silversight on the Web, except Microsoft.
Really, this has nothing to do with SVG. SVG can be tightly integrated into xhtml and you can do whatever you want with XSL. Silversight is for annoying ads that you won't be able to block on 80% of desktop computers.
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After working with Google Web Toolkit I'm pleased with it for simpler sites.

For more complicated sites I've switched back to Java applets/WebStart. Yes they're generally discredited but what you can do with them is incredible. Now that the Java VM in preloading in Windows and Java 6 has fully hardware accelerated graphics you can do some really snazzy stuff (called 'filthy rich clients') that is just not possible with Javascript.

With Java can also do a lot of stuff that's hard to do with Flash. Silverlight just isn't a starter as it has wrinkles on other platforms (and I switch between Windows, Ubuntu and MacOS for development depending on what computer I'm closest to at the time).

For those of you with open minds take a second look at Java on the web - it is very nice these days. For those of you without open minds, ignore what I just said, no need to flame.

Edited 2010-01-07 19:27 UTC

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