Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 11th Jan 2010 08:10 UTC
Multimedia, AV I followed the hype: Reddit, Slashdot's front page, months of thumbs up on my blog and various video forums by Linux users for OpenShot. Given that I'm longing for a usable Linux video editor since 2003, and given that OpenShot version 1.0 had just been released, I naturally gave it a go, by also downloading its provided dependencies on my Ubuntu Linux 9.10.
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RE[4]: A common problem
by wargum on Tue 12th Jan 2010 17:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: A common problem"
wargum
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2006-12-15

The OP of this sub-thread was trying to suggest that Linux media software is inferior. Of course, as you admit, Linux software is quite the opposite -- high end. The OP didn't make any assertions regarding the volume of users.


So there is a NLE for Linux for the cost of a new car. I didn't know that, you score. I should have made clearer that I don't talk about the ultra high end but something that an average joe or prosumer/hobbyist can buy.

"If Cinepaint is so great, why isn't it bundled in most distributions?

It is bundled with a many of them, and it is certainly in all of the major repositories.
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Really? Correct me if I missed something, but what I found out is that it is very difficult do get a package for a current distribution. Even specialized ones like UbuntuStudio lack Cinepaint. This is a quote from their website, that explains why:
CinePaint was removed from Debian lenny (testing) because Debian has dropped support for GTK1. CinePaint GTK2 exists and Debian packaging work is being done by Aedan Kelly. Experimental debs are [u]here.[/u]

So to me it looks like it is all a big mess right now. But again, correct me if I am wrong.

No... This is very, very good. Yes, Piranha is super high end -- $200,000+. Ant is probably less expensive, maybe $10,000-$15,000.

Talking about niches... See my comment above.

"Ardour is NOT a fully featured DAW like Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase etc. It has nothing to offer for MIDI.

Actually, I appears that it already has some MIDI functionality and in that regard is developing fast. Is that all?
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I wait another 3 years and then look at it again. Meanwhile, I do some music with Logic Pro and all these Plug-Ins.

"GIMP's GUI is awkward, that's common sense.

That is not common sense -- that is a common myth.

Specific examples, please.
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For me, the most annoying thing are the free floating windows. But the last thing I heard is that they implement an MDI for the next major version. I am glad Adobe recently changed PSE to MDI on the Mac, too.

Ummm, maybe they don't have a laptop.

A software for the cost of a car and then no money for a laptop?

Or maybe, they don't want to carry a laptop. Or perhaps they are traveling to a location where there is a computer which is more powerful than one's laptop, so it would be easier/faster to use the live CD/USB, etc.

This all seems so made up by you. How can you know that the Live CD will work on a different computer? And what if you need some more/different drivers? Again, looks made up. For me, the only use cases for Live CDs are 'safer' internet access, or administrative tasks like repair file systems, recover/save data and virus search.

If your time is so important, why are you wasting it on inferior software, such as FCP? -- spend the money and get Ant!

I wonder how so many people can produce awesome results with FCP, Premiere or AVID products.

I don't do much video editing, iMovie is fine for my needs.

You have only named one concrete OSS problem -- Ardour's temporary lack of MIDI functionality. You are going to have to come up with more examples than that one, if you expect to characterize Linux and OSS as "problematic."


Huh? You should have read my original post and name some other products other than a NLE for the cost of a new car. GIMP is debatable, Cinepaint seems to be a bad example, as mentioned above. There is no such thing as Cubase. What about DVD authoring? What about a decent video editor for the rest of us? What if you hate Blender's UI or?

By the way, there is no 64-bit Photoshop functionality on the Mac platform, so that cancels out your point about Ardour and MIDI.

What can't be done with PS 32 bit? And that will probably change this year with the release of CS5. Premiere will be fully 64 bit, too and come with the awesome looking Mercury Playback Engine. Of course it'll be much less than $10,000.

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RE[5]: A common problem
by tupp on Wed 13th Jan 2010 08:22 in reply to "RE[4]: A common problem"
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2006-11-12

Really? Correct me if I missed something, but what I found out is that it is very difficult do get a package for a current distribution. Even specialized ones like UbuntuStudio lack Cinepaint. This is a quote from their website, that explains why:
CinePaint was removed from Debian lenny (testing) because Debian has dropped support for GTK1. CinePaint GTK2 exists and Debian packaging work is being done by Aedan Kelly. Experimental debs are [u]here.[/u]
So to me it looks like it is all a big mess right now. But again, correct me if I am wrong.

Cinepaint is in the Etch repository: http://packages.debian.org/etch/cinepaint It's in ArtistX, which is an Ubuntu-based media distro: http://www.artistx.org/site2/ I would guess that there are other Debian/Ubuntu based distros which include it. Did you check Slackware, Red Hat, OpenSUSE, Gentoo, etc.?

In regards to GTK1 vs. GTK2, I personally couldn't care less. I am more interested in what the app does than how it looks.


No... This is very, very good. Yes, Piranha is super high end -- $200,000+. Ant is probably less expensive, maybe $10,000-$15,000.
Talking about niches... See my comment above.

Perhaps, but there is no question that these Linux programs are superior to any Windows/Mac prosumer NLE.


I wait another 3 years and then look at it again. Meanwhile, I do some music with Logic Pro and all these Plug-Ins.

Open source development can be very rapid. Ardour will probably have full MIDI functionality much sooner than three years.


"GIMP's GUI is awkward, that's common sense."
That is not common sense -- that is a common myth. Specific examples, please.

For me, the most annoying thing are the free floating windows.

This is a trivial UI complaint.

I have no problem with the floating windows. In fact, I like floating windows because they allow a lot of freedom in changing the layout to suit my preferences and to suit the aspect ratio of the image.

Of course, one big window might work just as well.

It's a matter of personal preference.

In addition, I think that GIMP 2.7-2.8 has the single-window option.


A software for the cost of a car and then no money for a laptop?

That's a funny joke, but some people don't like carrying laptops.


This all seems so made up by you. How can you know that the Live CD will work on a different computer? And what if you need some more/different drivers? Again, looks made up.

Huh? I didn't make up anything. A lot of people use live CDs/DVDs/USBs. There are zillions of stories on forums about how people love to use them for countless different reasons.

Here is a list of live CDs: http://www.livecdlist.com/ I didn't make up this list.

A lot of these live versions include drivers, so they work on a lot of different hardware "out of the box."


I wonder how so many people can produce awesome results with FCP, Premiere or AVID products.

Because they are good at what they do. The same way that anyone who is good can easily produce awesome results with Cinelerra, KDEnlive and OpenShot.

Here is a video of Andy Warhol creating art with an Amiga in 1985: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oqUd8utr14

I would put my money on Mr. Warhol with an old Amiga (or with GIMP, Inkscape, Cinelerra, Ardour, etc.) against any one of the whiny UI complainers on this forum using Photoshop, FCP, Illustrator, Protools, etc.

As they say, "It's not the equipment (or the software), it's the person operating the equipment (or the software).

Evidently, the author of this OpenShot review has recently realized this concept: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2010/01/06/less-is-more/


I don't do much video editing, iMovie is fine for my needs.

I'm sure that, if you are talented, that you produce fantastic results with Imovie.


Huh? You should have read my original post and name some other products other than a NLE for the cost of a new car. GIMP is debatable, Cinepaint seems to be a bad example, as mentioned above.... What about a decent video editor for the rest of us?

If you're fine with Imovie, than there are several OSS offerings that will do just as well or better.

Any great artist could easily finish/create fantastic work with GIMP. Same goes for Cinepaint.


There is no such thing as Cubase.

In regards to Ardour vs. Cubase, Ardour should have full MIDI functionality soon. But it is fantastic in every other aspect.

If the Beatles and George Martin had to use Ardour instead of Cubase, do you think that their work would be less great?


What about DVD authoring?

DVD authoring? I don't make a lot of menued DVDs. I have a feeling that the demand for DVDs is going to subside. I would guess that there are a few Linux offerings.


What if you hate Blender's UI or?

What if someone hates the glaring brightness of the FCP UI?


What can't be done with PS 32 bit?

Likewise, what can't be done with GIMP or Cinepaint?

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