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KDE I've been investigating switching my desktop distribution from Kubuntu to something more... Seriously maintained. I love debian, and consider it one of the best distros out there, but Ubuntu's KDE variant is downright pathetic.
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I love Debian but Kubuntu...
by soulrebel123 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 19:02 UTC
soulrebel123
Member since:
2009-05-13

Loving Debian means running Debian to me, not Kubuntu

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emilsedgh Member since:
2007-06-21

Indeed. Im not getting why the writer looks at kubuntu and says debian.

Debian testing/unstable (which one you prefer) has very well KDE packages. rock solid.

You should try debian with kde and come back and write this article again. im serious.

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boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

FWIW, there's also Sidux Linux -- basically, Debian Unstable, with some fixer packages. (Think about it a little like a Rolling Release version of Debian, with slightly newer packages.) It has KDE4, and it seems to work pretty well for me -- altho I don't have any complaints about Kubuntu, so maybe I'm not the best judge.

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KClowers Member since:
2009-12-18

Second.

Also, there is no mention of trying or even thinking about trying KDE on Debian itself.

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Peter Besenbruch Member since:
2006-03-13

I'll add my two cents to the Debian/Kubuntu issue. I am running a combination of the Debian testing branch with KDE4 from unstable. Unlike what I have heard about Kubuntu, Debian's version is pretty stable. Some of the plasmoids are cute, and the 3D effect integration largely works (though the novelty wears off after a couple of days).

KDE 4.3.4 lacks a few things, however:

Networkmanager-kde still needs the version 3 KDE libraries. I may try Wicd.

Kaffeine needs the KDE3 libraries. Dragonplayer is not a good substitute. I have been trying VLC.

There is no way in Debian to run "Administrator" mode in the KDE Control Center (now called SystemSettings). Neither does the "run as different user" work in the KDE menus. GKSU is a workaround for some apps, but not others. SystemSettings only runs properly from a root Konsole with the command "dbus-launch systemsettings".

You can't use different backgrounds for each desktop, anymore.

3D effects work fairly well, but aren't recommended for laptops running on battery. Hence, while 3D effects work on my EEEPC, I keep them disabled. On my desktop with an Intel 965 chipset, 3D effects work in a limited way with Xrender, but not OpenGL (Compiz has the same issue with the 965).

One of KDE's strengths was Kprinter, which is now gone, replaced with limited printer configuration tools.

All told, KDE4 works in Debian, but lacks the power and integration of 3.5.10. Ease of printing, and access to running as administrator trump spinning cubes in my book.

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KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Networkmanager-kde still needs the version 3 KDE libraries.

No, it does not. Maybe your distributor didn't package the latest version of KNetworkManager

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mgl.branco Member since:
2009-07-22

KDE 4.3.4 lacks a few things, however: Networkmanager-kde still needs the version 3 KDE libraries. I may try Wicd.


Not anymore: http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/07/introducing-kde-4-knetworkmanager

Kaffeine needs the KDE3 libraries. Dragonplayer is not a good substitute. I have been trying VLC.


Kaffeine for KDE4 is still in development but it works pretty well for me already. And, btw, Dragonplayer it isn't intended to be a replacement for Kaffeine. You've Smplayer as well.

You can't use different backgrounds for each desktop, anymore.

Yes, you can. Set up different activities for each desktop and change wallpaper on each.
http://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/1/17/Plasma_howto-desktop-w...

Edited 2010-01-18 22:51 UTC

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

I'll add my two cents to the Debian/Kubuntu issue. I am running a combination of the Debian testing branch with KDE4 from unstable. Unlike what I have heard about Kubuntu, Debian's version is pretty stable. Some of the plasmoids are cute, and the 3D effect integration largely works (though the novelty wears off after a couple of days).

KDE 4.3.4 lacks a few things, however:

Networkmanager-kde still needs the version 3 KDE libraries. I may try Wicd.


As someone else replied to your post above, there must be something wrong with your system. I've been using Sid for a long time now so my memory could be playing a trick on me but I am pretty sure that the KNetworkManager that ships with Squeeze is a full-fledged KDE 4 application. Now, if it is up to the snuff, that's another matter altogether...

Kaffeine needs the KDE3 libraries. Dragonplayer is not a good substitute. I have been trying VLC.


I don't get the love for DragonPlayer and the other "simpler" alternatives to some of the old KDE mainstays either, although I think that I am finally getting comfortable with Dolphin. You certainly will want to replace it with either KMPlayer, SMPlayer or VLC.

There is no way in Debian to run "Administrator" mode in the KDE Control Center (now called SystemSettings). Neither does the "run as different user" work in the KDE menus. GKSU is a workaround for some apps, but not others. SystemSettings only runs properly from a root Konsole with the command "dbus-launch systemsettings".


Not sure why you chose to use gksu, which probably integrates poorly with KDE, instead of kdesu. Alt + F2 > kdesu systemsettings has been doing the trick for me since the early days of KDE 4 although I'll agree that the lack of an "administrator mode"-like button in systemsettings is somewhat offputting.

You can't use different backgrounds for each desktop, anymore.


Sure you can. Just setup different activities and there you go although I agree that this could be simpler.

3D effects work fairly well, but aren't recommended for laptops running on battery. Hence, while 3D effects work on my EEEPC, I keep them disabled. On my desktop with an Intel 965 chipset, 3D effects work in a limited way with Xrender, but not OpenGL (Compiz has the same issue with the 965).


I wouldn't know as my laptop uses an useless VIA chipset so I can't comment on the battery draining aspect of it but on my desktop with a Nvidia card it works wonderfully. The effects used to show a lot of tearing and were a bit slow not too long ago, but these days it is comparable to Compiz.

One of KDE's strengths was Kprinter, which is now gone, replaced with limited printer configuration tools.


No arguments there.

All told, KDE4 works in Debian, but lacks the power and integration of 3.5.10. Ease of printing, and access to running as administrator trump spinning cubes in my book.


I've been running KDE 4 on and off up to version 4.1 and then full time once it reached 4.2 on Debian Sid and I couldn't be happier. Most of my initial complaints were solved already except for KNetworkManager that continues to be a black eye on an otherwise fantastic DE. However, KNetworkManager appears to be on the right track as it has been somewhat stable in the last couple of weeks - it used to crash and drop my connection once or twice *per day* forcing me to use GNOME's nm-applet - so the future looks brighter as far as KDE in Debian is concerned.

Edited 2010-01-18 23:30 UTC

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Peter Besenbruch Member since:
2006-03-13

Networkmanager-kde still needs the version 3 KDE libraries. I may try Wicd.

OK, in case anyone is still reading this thread, I tried Wicd. Color me impressed, so far. I hadn't liked what the KDE front-end of Network-manager was doing to its user interface, and Wicd is a nice change. I like that it allows 1 click access to what networks are out there, like the version for 3.5.10 had. Wicd seems faster at browsing for networks, too.

The process of setting up is less automated with Wicd. I had to input the name of the wireless interface. Network-manager finds that automatically.

All in all, I'll put up with some setup hassle to get better scanning speeds and interfaces.

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anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

Loving Debian means running Debian to me, not Kubuntu


Exactly!

I seriously wondered why something with flawed reasing as early as its summary made it to the frontpage, but I guess beloging to the pod cast folks gives one an easy way around page two.

The first sentence introduces the author as someone running Kubuntu which the second sentence details as liking it because of its Debian base.

With a summary like that but not a single word about Debian's excellent KDE package makes one think that the summary was written by somebody else who just wanted to put some Ubuntu reference in there without even reading the article.

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MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

spot on.

I love debian, and consider it one of the best distros out there, but Ubuntu's KDE variant is downright pathetic.

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Maybe a year from now Project Timelord (an Ubuntu project) will bear fruit and I can come back to my beloved Debian.

These do not compute. Ubuntu is not Debian. If you want to go back to your beloved Debian, leave Ubuntu and fscking do it.

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