Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jan 2010 17:59 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones This week, both YouTube and Vimeo opened up beta offerings using HTML5 video instead of Flash to bring video content to users. Both of them chose to use the h264 codec, which meant that only Safari and Chrome can play these videos, since firefox doesn't license the h264 codec. Mike Shaver, Mozilla's vice president of engineering, explained on his blog why Mozilla doesn't license the h264 codec.
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RE: yes, but
by daveak on Sun 24th Jan 2010 19:35 UTC in reply to "yes, but"
daveak
Member since:
2008-12-29

Mozilla should not support codec plugins. Mozilla should stop being stupid and implement support via the main media framework for the system being built for. They don't want to do this as they claim there is no common codec, read Theora, and don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that they could ship that codec and install as necessary. This is the only sensible way to proceed and is how other browsers are dealing with things. (The media framework, not the install a common codec)

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RE[2]: yes, but
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 24th Jan 2010 20:00 in reply to "RE: yes, but"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that they could ship that codec and install as necessary.

In fact, by installing Theora and Vorbis codecs with encoding support on the system, Mozilla would help spreading the Ogg formats more than just by building a player into the browser.
Suddenly countless people would be able to save their videos in Ogg Theora+Vorbis who are currently saving WMVs just because they don't even know that there are alternatives and where to obtain alternative video codecs.

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RE[3]: yes, but
by lemur2 on Mon 25th Jan 2010 06:58 in reply to "RE[2]: yes, but"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that they could ship that codec and install as necessary.

In fact, by installing Theora and Vorbis codecs with encoding support on the system, Mozilla would help spreading the Ogg formats more than just by building a player into the browser.
Suddenly countless people would be able to save their videos in Ogg Theora+Vorbis who are currently saving WMVs just because they don't even know that there are alternatives and where to obtain alternative video codecs.
"

Here you go:
http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

Enjoy.

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RE[2]: yes, but
by darkcoder on Mon 25th Jan 2010 01:29 in reply to "RE: yes, but"
darkcoder Member since:
2006-07-14

Mozilla should not support codec plugins. Mozilla should stop being stupid and implement support via the main media framework for the system being built for. They don't want to do this as they claim there is no common codec, read Theora, and don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that they could ship that codec and install as necessary. This is the only sensible way to proceed and is how other browsers are dealing with things. (The media framework, not the install a common codec)


Wrong, Neither Theora nor Ogg are included on Windows.
Also, the windows port of both codecs looked like abandoned right now:
http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

Edited 2010-01-25 01:30 UTC

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RE[3]: yes, but
by KAMiKAZOW on Mon 25th Jan 2010 01:37 in reply to "RE[2]: yes, but"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Neither Theora nor Ogg are included on Windows.
Also, the windows port of both codecs looked like abandoned right now:
http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

You mean a company full of programmers can't write a Theora codec for Windows Media Foundation?

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