Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 31st Jan 2010 14:20 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Internet & Networking Despite the recent interest in adopting HTML5's video tag, there is still one major problem: there is no mandated standard video codec for the video tag. The two main contestants are the proprietary and patended h264, and the open and free Theora. In a comment on an LWN.net article about this problematic situation, LWN reader Trelane posted an email exchange he had with MPEG-LA, which should further cement Theora as the obvious choice.
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No problem with Theora
by pabloski on Sun 31st Jan 2010 15:07 UTC
pabloski
Member since:
2009-09-28

Ok, theora has inferior quality in respect to h264? It needs further development, not so much of a problem after all.

h264 is hardware accelerated? hey, we have gpgpu so we can accelerate theora too

after all theora has few things less than h264, but h264 gives us a lot of legal headaches in respect to theora

so the way to go is theora....don't they want theora? ok, i'll use adobe flash then ;)

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RE: No problem with Theora
by computeruser on Sun 31st Jan 2010 17:45 in reply to "No problem with Theora"
computeruser Member since:
2009-07-21

Ok, theora has inferior quality in respect to h264? It needs further development, not so much of a problem after all.

The potential for Theora improvement is limited. Theora is based on the ten year old VP3, and the Theora bitstream format was frozen in 2004, and is missing some similar features to more modern video encoding standards (VC-1, H.264, even newer On2 codecs), so any further improvement comes only from improving the encoder. But H.264 encoders improve too; in fact, there are enough users of H.264 that there's competition.

h264 is hardware accelerated? hey, we have gpgpu so we can accelerate theora too

This does not work in the millions of already deployed embedded devices with no 3D acceleration, but with a H.264 decoder.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Short-sightedness abound.

Yes, there are problems now - but I'd rather face those solvable problems NOW than having to deal with lock-in down the line.

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RE: No problem with Theora
by graigsmith on Sun 31st Jan 2010 18:57 in reply to "No problem with Theora"
graigsmith Member since:
2006-04-05

h264 is hardware accelerated? hey, we have gpgpu so we can accelerate theora too


you could accelerate it on a computer. but who cares at that point, computers have the cpu power to spare.

what this choice came down to was the phone support.

the hardware acceleration is on the phones. most phone cpu's would not be able to do video if not for special video only chips than enable them to do 1-3 different types of videos. so no. most phones would not be able to do theora, or wma. because those are not hardware accelerated. yeah, they could have been. But too little too late. The iphone came with h.264 hardware support so that it could do video. now pretty much every smart phone comes with h.264. motorola droid has h.264 hardware support also. and now html 5 is going to need at least h.264 support to support the phones. the phones is where this html 5 push came from. flash wasn't and still isn't ready, phones came with internet but no video support, and people want that. so video support started rolling in.

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