Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Feb 2010 23:25 UTC, submitted by Chicken Blood
Apple The beauty of the internet is such that every opinion has become worthless; this goes doubly so for those with publish buttons on (relatively, we're humble) major websites. For every opinion, there's a matching counter-opinion, and that's great. Yesterday, we linked to an article by Mark Pilgrim about tinkerers and the iPad, and of course, someone was bound to disagree with that one.
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RE[3]: Now that's Sniveling!
by apoclypse on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 03:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Now that's Sniveling! "
apoclypse
Member since:
2007-02-17

I guess the reason we are having issues understanding your point is because you know about as much as we do about the future and spreading FUD just because you think something will happen when there is every indication that it wouldn't is just plain irresponsible. There are enough things to tinker with. In-fact why don't one of these tinkerers make something for them, oh thats right, they have and people still rather hack an iphone instead. Here you have a product made to be hacked and modded to your hearts content and people would rather crack the closed proprietary solution. Why is that? Why complain about it and not focus on the product you can tinker with to your hearts content?

I really don't see the reasoning, I don't get the "Think of the children" arguments. I don't get why our geek paradise has anything to do with what a consumer wants. Clearly the two are not the same, because the ones most interested in the iPhone and the iPad are people who actually want to use the product for what it was intended for not hack it pieces to get it just right for you.

Who cares if the iPad is a closed system. Make your own pad and make it as open as you'd like. Put Linux on it, make the hardware open, let users put whatever they want on it. Try to compete with Apple. HP, Dell, Acer are all waiting in the wings to see how this plays out so that they can drop their own solution which will most likely be as open as you'd like them to be. I don't see the big deal and frankly at this point I think you are just trying to get page hits by posting nonsense poised as arguments when really all you are posting is speculation.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't think you understand idealism. Its not enough for me to be free, if my brother is enslaved. There are those of us who cages cannot hold: that does not mean we can rest easy; that does not mean we can free every one who cannot break the bars themselves. It does mean that we will have to spend a lot of our energy breaking cages that people try to put us in, that we could have spent doing something more productive.

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Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

I don't think you understand idealism. Its not enough for me to be free, if my brother is enslaved. There are those of us who cages cannot hold: that does not mean we can rest easy; that does not mean we can free every one who cannot break the bars themselves. It does mean that we will have to spend a lot of our energy breaking cages that people try to put us in, that we could have spent doing something more productive.


Wow. Dramatize much?

Who is trying to put you in a cage?

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RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling!
by lemur2 on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 04:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Now that's Sniveling! "
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

because the ones most interested in the iPhone and the iPad are people who actually want to use the product for what it was intended for not hack it pieces to get it just right for you.

Who cares if the iPad is a closed system.


The problem is when the manufacturer of the closed system uses it later to say: "there are a lot of people who have only that closed system, and hence they can use only this or that when they connect to the web ... therefore the web itself can be allowed to present only this or that".

Apple have already historically used exactly such an argument viz a viz audio formats and the iPod. Now, via the iPad and iPhone, they are trying to do this same trick all over again in order to eliminate open format video on the web (such as the video which Wikipedia/Wikimedia uses) in favour of proprietary format video in which they have an interest in the applicable patents.

iPad user? ... then public access, public domain data is NOT FOR YOU!!! (according to Apple).

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Media_help

This is why people care ... because the closed nature of iPads will be used against the freedom of people who don't own an iPad and wouldn't touch it because it is so limiting.

Edited 2010-02-03 04:20 UTC

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RE[5]: Now that's Sniveling!
by memson on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 11:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling! "
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

"because the ones most interested in the iPhone and the iPad are people who actually want to use the product for what it was intended for not hack it pieces to get it just right for you.

Who cares if the iPad is a closed system.


The problem is when the manufacturer of the closed system uses it later to say: "there are a lot of people who have only that closed system, and hence they can use only this or that when they connect to the web ... therefore the web itself can be allowed to present only this or that".
"

Can you come by my house at about 4pm? My toaster won't calculate PI to 256 decimal places and it really should. It might be an appliance, but I know it should be able to do anything I desire - you've informed me this much!

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