Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 20:13 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Ah, the ARM chip. ARM is a hugely successful architecture, and can be found in just about every cell phone or other small device out there. ARM, however, wants more, and for a long time now we've been hearing predictions about an upcoming massive rise in ARM netbooks - so far, this hasn't materialised. Warren East, ARM's CEO, said in an interview with PC Pro that netbooks could one day make up 90% of the laptop market - preferably powered by ARM processors of course.
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Keep talking...
by darknexus on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 21:05 UTC
darknexus
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2008-07-15

Until I see an ARM smartbook/netbook/whatever they'll be called that I can purchase, this is all hot air. I want one, believe me, but we keep hearing how great and wonderful they will be but there's no products. An ARM netbook, running Ubuntu-ARM or another similar Linux, would be perfect for me. If Windows wouldn't run on it that'd be an extra bonus, no worries about windows-only hardware in that case.
But it comes down to the one important question: Where are they? So far, no one has answered with a product I can hold in my greedy little hands.
Oh, and by the time we see one of these ARM netbooks, the iPad and possibly future Android tablets might already have taken their market away from them.

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RE: Keep talking...
by fretinator on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 21:10 in reply to "Keep talking..."
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

There is one available at:

http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm

It is somewhat rough around the edges - there was a good review Linux Journal recently. It is definitely a shipping product, albeit a 2 month wait time.

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RE[2]: Keep talking...
by darknexus on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 21:44 in reply to "RE: Keep talking..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

The Touchbook is more of a tablet than a netbook, not really what I'm looking for. I like the small Netbook form factor, with a keyboard built in and typically relatively comfortable to type on.

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RE[2]: Keep talking...
by kaiwai on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 22:40 in reply to "RE: Keep talking..."
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2005-07-06

There is one available at:

http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm

It is somewhat rough around the edges - there was a good review Linux Journal recently. It is definitely a shipping product, albeit a 2 month wait time.


That is kind of useless; all this talk about ARM netbooks is pissing me off as much as all those promising a Loongson MIPS based netbooks and never delivering them - when are we going to see that EMTEC netbook with the Loongson? yet another pie in the sky idea that never gets off the ground? Talk and talk and talk is about the only thing these IT companies can do - how about showing some real products that I can purchase online and have shipped to NZ - then I might remotely care about the product.

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RE[2]: Keep talking...
by cerbie on Thu 4th Feb 2010 08:13 in reply to "RE: Keep talking..."
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2006-01-02

Single-core A8, 10 hours battery life, nobody willing to give specs for GFX drivers (or good binaries--bring on a new Tegra, if that's what it takes! ;) ), and it costs as much as a nice Intel-based netbook that will get 75% of the battery life, and have 2-3GB RAM.

It's neat, but not all that neat, unless you really want a tablet. What we've seen hyped are devices with multi-core Cortex A9 based SoCs, capable of decent amounts of RAM, and some real performance, while in theory using 5-10W less than a comparable Atom (and maybe, at some point, sufficiently open graphics cores).

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RE: Keep talking...
by Gone fishing on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 21:28 in reply to "Keep talking..."
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2006-02-22

Agreed,

I wanted a small mini notebook for my daughter. I didn't really want an Atom powered mini laptop and an ARM would have been perfect. It wasn't going to run Windows anyway.

But there were non to buy.

Softspot for ARM always used to like Acorns.

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RE[2]: Keep talking...
by umccullough on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 22:10 in reply to "RE: Keep talking..."
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I wanted a small mini notebook for my daughter. I didn't really want an Atom powered mini laptop and an ARM would have been perfect. It wasn't going to run Windows anyway.


Same here... I could care less about touch screens and nonsense like that - I want a thin, lightweight, super power efficient ARM-based machine with keyboard and mouse input, but with a reasonable sized screen (9-10") - and cheap.

Probably a pipe dream - but at least right now I'm enjoying my 8.9" AA1 ;)

It seems all the ARM-based devices are headed in the direction of touchscreen without a keyboard (or keyboard optional)... Is that all people want any more? I guess some people might view a keyboard as "cumbersome" after learning to text with their thumbs all their life ;)

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RE: Keep talking...
by Morty on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 22:01 in reply to "Keep talking..."
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2005-07-06

Oh, and by the time we see one of these ARM netbooks, the iPad and possibly future Android tablets might already have taken their market away from them.

Wrong, they will only add to the market share not take away. After all they will all be the same thing, just different form factors. iPad or ARM netbook both uses an ARM, so from the CEO of ARM point of view it does not really matter. Keyboard or not the CPU is the same. Besides the existence of non Apple ARM tablets, may also increase the software availability/visibility for ARM netbooks.

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RE[2]: Keep talking...
by darknexus on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 22:55 in reply to "RE: Keep talking..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Guess I wasn't clear, I didn't mean that ARM's market would have been taken. I meant the market, specifically, for ARM-based netbooks might have diminished to the point of being almost nonexistent, and the ARM CEO was specifically speaking of ARM netbooks in this article.

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RE: Keep talking...
by JAlexoid on Thu 4th Feb 2010 01:13 in reply to "Keep talking..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Until I see an ARM smartbook/netbook/whatever they'll be called that I can purchase, this is all hot air.

I believe there are such devices on sale in Japan. Though they are very small.

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RE: Keep talking...
by joelito_pr on Thu 4th Feb 2010 02:07 in reply to "Keep talking..."
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2005-07-07

I'm in Puerto Rico and I've seen netbooks sell with ARM and WinCE or Linux for $130 to $200

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