Linked by Kroc Camen on Fri 5th Feb 2010 23:28 UTC
Web 2.0 A quick round up of various web-related news items. First up, a new open source product entitled the "Highgate media suite" will bring OGG video decoding to Silverlight. Microsoft have just joined the SVG working group (arguably 10 years late, but it's better than nothing). Adobe promise significant improvements in Flash 10.1, including Core Animation rendering on OS X and lowered CPU usage. Finally, CoperLicht--a WebGL JavaScript 3D engine (Quake in JS will be here one day)
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kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

What is even more funny is reading through the comments section with this gem:

Way to parrot Welch. Anyway, you're of course right that Flash should never crash. My beef is that suddenly we hear this HUGE groundswell of people saying that Flash is bringing them to ruin. Could it be that maybe--just maybe--some of these claims are overstated out of some tribalism (a desire to be close to Apple)? I mean, people identify with groups of multimillionaires who theoretically represent some nearby city in sports, so it's not hard to see why they want to identify with the people who make the devices they use all day.


How about the fact that Flash sucks, the developers at Adobe suck, their management are locked in a reality distortion field, and long time Microsoft haters are having greater success with Silverlight than with Adobe's Flash. I truly am sick and tired of hearing the sycophants from forums and the crap employee's of Adobe bending over backwards apologising for the abortion of a technology that is Flash.

Oh, and to claim that some how because it is installed by many people it equates to a product 'not as bad as people make it out to be" - who the f--k chooses to use the technology in the first place! I've never ever seen a end user install a plugin for something unless the developer of the website itself pushed for its use! so please, to some how equate quality to distribution to people actively choosing to install Flash is a pathetic and fictitious argument to make.

We all know what the solution is - open source the damn plugin; there is no value derived from the plugin - you make the dollars off the development tools. Open source the plugin under a liberal licence and allow vendors to contribute and fix up the problems because so far Adobe has demonstrated gross incompetence when it comes to delivering a stable product. Oh, as for 'forked versions' as the Flash apologists in the past here have claimed - institute the same requirements that Java has, "you can't call it Java unless it has passed the conformity tests".

Edited 2010-02-06 00:48 UTC

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Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

How about the fact that Flash sucks, the developers at Adobe suck, their management are locked in a reality distortion field, and long time Microsoft haters are having greater success with Silverlight than with Adobe's Flash.


The development tools are actually unparalleled. It's only the plugin that has issues.

Sadly, the Java plug-in on Mac OS has equally as many issues. And I don't think Java, JavaFX or Silverlight can match Flash when it comes to ease-of-use for designers creating rich content/apps/animation. Of course, video is something else...

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Doesn't Apple still provide there own Java version rather than simply using the official Java? Last time osX Java was in the news it was due to being a gross number of versions behind the official release leaving Apple customers vulnerable to things long since patched on the other platforms.

I'd like to see both become less important though. A website shouldn't be unviewable because the browser owner chooses not to install extra content plugins. I've even seen support sites that use Flash for the menu system. A support site for a company providing products across platforms yet locking it's customers out through the requirnment of flash and Adobe's lack (for those many years) of a 64bit Flash player.

Web developers who use closed crap and can't build websites that degrade gracefully need to go back to school. Managers that won't give the developers who are competent time to produce a properly built site also need to give there head a shake or find a new industry to middle-manage in.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The development tools are actually unparalleled. It's only the plugin that has issues.


Agreed - the plugin tool would allow Adobe to allocate more programmers to other projects whilst all the Linux vendors would jump on board to improve it, Apple, and many hand set makers as well. It would definately change my opinion of Flash from being bane of my existence to something I find a joy to use.

Sadly, the Java plug-in on Mac OS has equally as many issues. And I don't think Java, JavaFX or Silverlight can match Flash when it comes to ease-of-use for designers creating rich content/apps/animation. Of course, video is something else...


For me I have never had any problems with the Java plugin on Mac OS X then again the only time I've see/used it recently was using the website called adrive which Java is employed for the uploading process.

As for JavaFX, if it were a choice between Silverlight, Flash or JavaFX (Java itself doesn't compete with Silverlight/Flash, only JavaFX does), I'd sooner see that succeed as long as Oracle are willing to get it to support more CODECs besides just the one it supports today - On2 Video VP6. What they need to also support is h264 and VC1, and possible OGG/Theora if they have time. All of that takes money and I can understand with the limit funds of Sun it wasn't possible but Oracle should see this is great potential technology for the future.

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dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

People complain about flash like they complained about java applet of the old days.
And people have been praying HTML5, video tag and WebGL as the internet savior.
Point is that as we let designer go crazy on the design and put everything they want in a website and making up some crazy requirement for the website we won't get out of this crazy cycle.
Of course web application are marvelous, and Flash being strong on IE on Windows platform, has been a big problem for alternative platform.
But hey going monolithic is apparently the way of the future, no middle ground, tighter control. Apparently even the advanced users seems to head that way.

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strcpy Member since:
2009-05-20

People complain about flash like they complained about java applet of the old days.
And people have been praying HTML5, video tag and WebGL as the internet savior.
Point is that as we let designer go crazy on the design and put everything they want in a website and making up some crazy requirement for the website we won't get out of this crazy cycle.


That's exactly what I've been saying all along.

No matter what the codec is, the result is more and more crap. With HTML 5.0 it is probably going to crap so wide that even regular "internet surfers" get annoyed.

Las Vegas and TV commercials. That's pretty much it.

Edited 2010-02-08 12:59 UTC

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