Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 26th Feb 2010 12:22 UTC, submitted by kragil
Gnome GNOME hacker Seth Nickell has written a lengthy PDF and accompanying blog post with a number of very interesting ideas for GNOME 3.0. I pondered putting this up on the front page, but since that usually only attracts the "It's not what I'm used to so it sucks"-crowd, I decided to put it up here. Be sure to read the blog post, the PDF, and the comments on the blog post to get the entire picture.
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abraxas
Member since:
2005-07-07

Qt is the better toolkit and everyone knows it. The plug needs to be pulled on GTK and we all know what is keeping it alive.


What's keeping GTK alive is that literally thousands of applications depend on it, including, but not limited to, the GNOME DE. There are reasons to choose GTK over QT for programmers who are not targeting GNOME. Maybe because their app is written in C and easier to bind to the language they use. Perhaps it is because GTK is just a toolkit and a lot slimmer than QT. Maybe they just prefer the look and feel of GTK.

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vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

There are reasons to choose GTK over QT for programmers who are not targeting GNOME. Maybe because their app is written in C and easier to bind to the language they use.


No "binding" is needed to use C code from C++. All you need is a good ol' linker. Most C programs can be compiled with C++ compiler, even.

Perhaps it is because GTK is just a toolkit and a lot slimmer than QT.


I doubt developers really care about this kind of "slimness", being that Gtk+ apps mostly target desktop computers.

Maybe they just prefer the look and feel of GTK.


Check out QGtkStyle.

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

No "binding" is needed to use C code from C++. All you need is a good ol' linker. Most C programs can be compiled with C++ compiler, even.


I actually edited that part into incoherence. What I meant to say is that if your program is written in another language it is easier to use a C based toolkit, especially when QT is so much more than just a toolkit and GTK works well with other GNOME and non-GNOME C libraries that are easier to interface with other languages than C++.

I doubt developers really care about this kind of "slimness", being that Gtk+ apps mostly target desktop computers.


Actually people do care because GTK+ is used in the mobile space and mobile embedded platforms are becoming increasingly important.

Check out QGtkStyle.


I use it for my QT apps but the font rendering sucks in comparison.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


What's keeping GTK alive is that literally thousands of applications depend on it, including, but not limited to, the GNOME DE.

Yes a software ecosystem has been built around GNOME and GTK. It's a shame. The prominence of GNOME however is what keeps the system going.


There are reasons to choose GTK over QT for programmers who are not targeting GNOME.


Qt has a better toolkit, is much better for cross-platform development, and is far better when it comes to documentation.

GTK is used for the wrong reasons. Toolkits should be chosen based on technical merit and not for the purpose of leveraging a user base.

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

Yes a software ecosystem has been built around GNOME and GTK. It's a shame. The prominence of GNOME however is what keeps the system going.


That's ridiculous. GTK+ applications far outnumber GNOME applications. There's even another entire desktop using GTK+ (XFCE). GTK+'s future is independent of GNOME.

GTK is used for the wrong reasons. Toolkits should be chosen based on technical merit and not for the purpose of leveraging a user base.


I don't think you understand that people have different goals. Your goals aren't the only relevant ones. There are technical reasons for people to use GTK+ as I have mentioned.

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Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe because their app is written in C and easier to bind to the language they use.


Actually I think the fact that the Gnome desktop is written in C is one of the main barriers to rapid development. If they were to use just about any other language--my top vote would be for Vala, followed by C++, C# or Java--there is no question in my mind that the speed of development of the Gnome desktop would explode. But sadly I think most of the Gnome hackers are still too much stuck in their "hacker" mentality, with their vi, emacs and what have you, to realize the benefit that a truly object-oriented platform with a full-featured IDE/toolset could bring....

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