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In the News And thus, our true colours reveal. Since Obama was the young newcomer, technically savvy, many of us were hoping that he might support patent and/or copyright reform. In case our story earlier on this subject didn't already tip you off, this certainly will: Obama has sided squarely with the RIAA/MPAA lobby, and backs ACTA. No copyright and/or patent reform for you, American citizens!
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Sickened and Disgraced
by kurgan2001 on Sat 13th Mar 2010 00:51 UTC
kurgan2001
Member since:
2008-12-31

Now we do see the true colors. I don't like politics or any politician.

America is gonna be run into the ground.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I didn't vote McCain either. There was no lesser of the two evils for me. We need other parties to win and take office. At least one that is for the people LIKE IT SHOULD BE and not for big business that can throw money around and lobby.

We need to get all the lobbyists out of DC. Permanently, and make the government work for us as it is supposed to.

I'm actually sickened that I'm an American and this is the nation that my forefathers died to create and protect.

They have taken the American dream and run it so far into the ground that our children's children won't be able to recover from it.

I doubt we'll still be a nation in another 100 - 200 years. If we are, we'll be lucky. Hell, probably every baby born will be stamped 'Property of China' since that's who we owe the most now.

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RE: Sickened and Disgraced
by Tuishimi on Sat 13th Mar 2010 01:41 in reply to "Sickened and Disgraced"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

There were two candidates who MIGHT have been a force for some decent change, Paul and Kucinich (sp?). But neither of them are "pretty" so they were not chosen as the party candidates. Shame.

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RE[2]: Sickened and Disgraced
by Fusion on Sat 13th Mar 2010 02:00 in reply to "RE: Sickened and Disgraced"
Fusion Member since:
2005-07-18

There were two candidates who MIGHT have been a force for some decent change, Paul and Kucinich (sp?). But neither of them are "pretty" so they were not chosen as the party candidates. Shame.

You think McCain and Obama are any more attractive than either of those two?! Seriously... the 2008 campaign was the influenced by "good looks" less than any campaign since Grover Cleveland.

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

If Paul had won the Republican primary, the Republicans would have won in a landslide.

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RE: Sickened and Disgraced
by Jondice on Sat 13th Mar 2010 02:16 in reply to "Sickened and Disgraced"
Jondice Member since:
2006-09-20

Actually, what we need is: NO parties. The second you get a party, or even a candidate who "represents" you, the issues not only become segregated into bins, but likely biased towards the representatives own needs.


With the digital age we could finally have democracy truly have an affect on government, but this will probably not happen.

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RE: Sickened and Disgraced
by modmans2ndcoming on Sat 13th Mar 2010 02:17 in reply to "Sickened and Disgraced"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

you want other parties to win? vote for them!

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RE[2]: Sickened and Disgraced
by StychoKiller on Sat 13th Mar 2010 04:00 in reply to "RE: Sickened and Disgraced"
StychoKiller Member since:
2005-09-20

I do! Now maybe more Decepticrats and Republicons will do so this November!

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RE: Sickened and Disgraced
by elsewhere on Sat 13th Mar 2010 06:58 in reply to "Sickened and Disgraced"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

We need other parties to win and take office. At least one that is for the people LIKE IT SHOULD BE and not for big business that can throw money around and lobby.


Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any party in power will act irresponsibly unless there is some sort of check and balance to keep them accountable.

As an outsider, I would say that the biggest problem with American politics is the two-party system. You either give one party power, or the other. There's no balance.

In Canada, our government is determined by the party that obtains the most number of seats in Parliament. The interesting thing is that we can have a minority government, where the ruling government doesn't actually have enough seats in parliament to arbitrarily force policy through, and has to rely on votes from opposition parties to pass legislation. Our Prime Minister is simply the party leader of whichever party has the most seats. I suppose the concept of the super majority in the Senate is similar in that it requires a party with less than 60 seats to find votes from opposing members, but the Canadian system generally has MPs voting the party line and not breaking rank, there's little backroom negotiating one-on-one at the individual politico level. Legislation in a minority government requires blocks of parties to support, rather than individuals. There's certainly pros and cons to that approach, but it works reasonably well.

Our current government is a minority government. There are four other parties represented in Parliament, plus an independent or two. It represents an interesting dynamic; the governing party can't ramrod policy through, but the opposition parties don't necessarily want to bring the government down and force an election by blocking major confidence issues, because Canadians as a general rule hate elections and will punish any party that forces one.

Certainly our current government isn't perfect, but it is quite probably the most functional one we've had in quite some time, as opposed to the last couple of decades where we were under rule from majority governments of one party or another that both ruled with an iron fist and were ripe with corruption.

As someone who has had lived with both a de facto two-party government and a multi-party government requiring concession, I'll take the latter. Non-partisanship is an interesting but untenable concept in a two-party system, but it's a necessity when no single party holds the balance of power.

I think the US needs a couple of credible parties, on both sides of the political spectrum, to split the vote and keep things interesting and accountable, otherwise it will always generally return to "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" style governing.

We need to get all the lobbyists out of DC. Permanently, and make the government work for us as it is supposed to.


Absolutely. Holds true for any democratic country.

Just my two Canadian pennies from a friendly neighbour to the north... ;)

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RE[2]: Sickened and Disgraced
by coolvibe on Sun 14th Mar 2010 01:21 in reply to "RE: Sickened and Disgraced"
coolvibe Member since:
2007-08-16

I agree with you, but I will have to make clear that the American system is not bi-partisan. There *are* other parties that are electable, but two parties seem the most popular. To an outsider, it looks like there are only two parties, but there are more. The dems and the reps just get all the airplay, nobody hears about the other parties.

Great post, but I just had to correct that little oversight. Doesn't make you less wrong though.

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RE[2]: Sickened and Disgraced
by historyb on Sun 14th Mar 2010 05:35 in reply to "RE: Sickened and Disgraced"
historyb Member since:
2005-07-06


Just my two Canadian pennies from a friendly neighbour to the north... ;)


pennies well spent ;)

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