Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 14th Mar 2010 15:12 UTC
Legal It's no secret to anyone that while Apple sued HTC, the lawsuit is more about Google than HTC itself. Since Android is open source, and owned by no one, it's kind of hard to go after Google itself, and as such, HTC was the prime target, since it is the number one Android smartphone maker. The New York Times has an in-depth article up about the subject, with a whole boatload of quotes from people within the two companies, and it paints a picture of all this being a highly emotional and personal vendetta - especially from Apple's side.
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The App-Starter...
by neitileple on Sun 14th Mar 2010 19:14 UTC
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When I read the news about Apple suing HTC, I pre-ordered a Desire the following day.

I will do my best to convince my friends, my wife and my wife's friends that they should buy Android phones, and not iPhones... With an Android phone they can soon even play Farmville and play videos from Crunchyroll, etc. (I know very well what they want from their phones...)

I have had Apple computers since OS9.

I now use a real PC with Windows7.
Luckily I didn't buy the 10.5 "upgrade". I stopped at 10.4-something.

When my wife's Macbook breaks I will do my very best to convince her to chose another brand.

(I know very well what she dislikes and what she thinks is missing with Apple products, that the other computers have. I will even offer to buy/pay for the new PC for her to be sure she doesn't chose Apple...)


-Because of Apple's dictatorship.

-DRM'ish behavior.

-App-Store Dictatorship.


-And now their dirty tricks.

I have had two iPhones, I gave both away.

I know very well how "fantastic" the iPhone is:
After a while the iPhone feels only like an app-starter with icons on a desktop. How boring is that!!! Except from 'starting apps' what can the iPhone do? Think this one through: If you don't start an app, what can you do!?

And the iPhone's sound quality when calling sucks... The K510i is 10 times better...

So after seeing Apple's dictatorship, I turned from Apple-promoter to Apple hater during the last year...

I cannot support a company that acts like this.

I'm sad I fell for the Apple-crap, years ago...

I will not answer anyone, just reread what I wrote and let it sink in:

Think about what I told you the next time you let your finger scroll through your iPhone-desktop to start another App:

The iPhone IS just an App-Starter, it's the only thing the phone can do... Why? ---> Control and dictatorship. Control and dictatorship...)

Try to do something without starting an app. see what i mean? Control... Dictatorship...

(Who has 100% control over your apps? Do I have to "spoon it in" for you??!)

Edited 2010-03-14 19:17 UTC

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RE: The App-Starter...
by vivainio on Sun 14th Mar 2010 20:12 in reply to "The App-Starter..."
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So after seeing Apple's dictatorship, I turned from Apple-promoter to Apple hater during the last year...

Apple made a 180 with these patents.

Even the app store lockdown is ethically ok - it's their phone and app store, they can do whatever they want with it. If developers want to develop for iPhone regardless, and users buy them, it's their problem (they essentially give up the right to whine by signing up). It's the same thing as the "microsoft tax".

Now, OTOH, Apple is actively trying to bring others down through exploiting mistakes made earlier by patent officials. This is something Microsoft is not able to do because they are being observed by various legal entities.

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jabbotts Member since:

The MS tax - referring to imposed Windows license - would be different in my opinion. Where developers may choose to produce apps and be bound by Apple's decisions and consumers can clearly see that the hardware and OS are a bundled product, consumers rarely have the choice to by any computer without Windows preinstalled.

I don't think the two choices are comparable until "no OS" is as general an option with hardware purchases as "develop for another platform" is already for programmers.

I do agree that a part of the problem is developers choosing to write for the platform and thus, supporting Apple's treatment of consumers. I just suggest that there is some valid basis for complaints about the "windows tax".

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RE: The App-Starter... - overall fair
by jabbotts on Sun 14th Mar 2010 21:22 in reply to "The App-Starter..."
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I'd say your point overall is fair. We'll see how long people not glamoured by the Iphone will remain the minority.

The only thing I don't get is the difference between Apple providing default applications including a dialer and every other phone on the market providing default applications including a dialer. They are all a menu system for launching phone related applets; Iphone just made the application menu the default view instead of a blank background displaying the current time.

I do agree that they impose far too much control; I just see it happening at a different level from the default interface view.

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RE: The App-Starter...
by concurrentcoder on Sun 14th Mar 2010 21:44 in reply to "The App-Starter..."
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You gave AWAY your iPhones etc and switched to using to Windows 7 because you think Apple is a dictatorship and Microsoft or Google are not?
I could have sworn that they are all public companies legally obligated to shareholders before any customer, even you. Get off your high horse, you sound like Thom inserting his little opinions and bias in the last sentence. And as you just joined the site, I suspect you are him.

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RE[2]: The App-Starter...
by neitileple on Sun 14th Mar 2010 22:28 in reply to "RE: The App-Starter..."
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I'm sorry.

He writes 100 times better than me.

I registered just now to write some of my frustration, and maybe make someone think.

Greetings from: no-to-apple = neitileple.

(He doesn't know Norwegian language... My nic is in Norwegian.)

I guess Dutch have some words from Norwegian, but they are just a few...

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RE: The App-Starter...
by stabbyjones on Mon 15th Mar 2010 06:42 in reply to "The App-Starter..."
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It took you thousands of dollars to Apple to figure that out?

It's not like they haven't always been like this, now it's just more obvious.

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RE[2]: The App-Starter...
by neitileple on Mon 15th Mar 2010 10:48 in reply to "RE: The App-Starter..."
neitileple Member since:

Yes, unfortunately.... It took me much time to see it, and it turned me into an Apple-hater when I found out...

With OS9 it could seem like it was not there yet, also, the same with OSX. I have absolutely no problems accepting that. Even shortcomings I can accept. With iTunes it was getting very obvious and when finding the truth about iPhone I hated the whole company...

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