Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 8th Apr 2010 18:24 UTC
Apple Today, Apple held a special press event at its campus in Cupertino during which it revealed and demonstrated the new features that are going into the fourth version of the iPhone operating system. The company focussed on 7 'tentpole' features, the most prominent of which is... Multitasking.
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RE: Wait, what?
by Kroc on Thu 8th Apr 2010 18:42 UTC in reply to "Wait, what?"
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

It’s not real multitasking. It’s a freeze/unfreeze feature and a bunch of background daemons. Apple focused on the user experience, knowing that faux multi-tasking will serve the vast majority’s needs without any draw backs. Real geeks don’t matter to Apple, that much should be apparent already.

Everything in the announcement was exactly as I expected, Apple are iterating. The real surprises were the decent multi-tasking UI, and game center. No way did I see that. Apple are changing expectations of mobile gaming and Microsoft are nowhere to be seen in this space and Nintendo are pig-headed, over charging and very, _very_ slow to get with social networking and internet play.

Oh, and a computing platform where there can be no ad-blockers. Great, isn’t it?

Edited 2010-04-08 18:43 UTC

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RE[2]: Wait, what?
by Nelson on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:02 in reply to "RE: Wait, what?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft is nowhere to be seen..except that whole Windows Phone 7 XNA game development with XBox Live integration.

You know, the exact thing Apple did with OS4..except it's XBox Live..

Apple's multitasking implementation makes sense, it's a kitchen sink approach which will work well for the majority of situations.

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RE[3]: Wait, what?
by Kroc on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait, what?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

So, what’s the shipping date of Windows Phone 7? How many Zunes have they sold exactly? Nowhere to be seen. They have some ground to catch up. It is possible though, the XBox 360 is Microsoft’s ace card, and Apple don’t have a console to interoperate with. *cough*Pippin*cough*. ;)

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RE[2]: Wait, what?
by mtzmtulivu on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:04 in reply to "RE: Wait, what?"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

Apple focused on the user experience, knowing that faux multi-tasking will serve the vast majority’s needs without any draw backs. Real geeks don’t matter to Apple, that much should be apparent already.

"without any drawbacks"? i do not know you to be an apple apologist or a fanboy walking the partly line.

"real geeks" these days seem to be people who want features apple doesnt provide in their current iteration of their products.

and what will you way when they provide "real" multitasking in the future"? let me guess, the definition of "real geeks" will be redifined to sync up with apple tune again ..

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RE[3]: Wait, what?
by macUser on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait, what?"
macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

" Apple focused on the user experience, knowing that faux multi-tasking will serve the vast majority’s needs without any draw backs. Real geeks don’t matter to Apple, that much should be apparent already.

"without any drawbacks"? i do not know you to be an apple apologist or a fanboy walking the partly line.

"real geeks" these days seem to be people who want features apple doesnt provide in their current iteration of their products.

and what will you way when they provide "real" multitasking in the future"? let me guess, the definition of "real geeks" will be redifined to sync up with apple tune again ..
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Maybe when you see the fuel cell version of the iPhone/iPad/iTouch you'll see full third party multitasking. Until Apple decides that battery life is a non-issue, (however that conclusion is arrived at) you won't be seeing it.

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RE[3]: Wait, what?
by Kroc on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait, what?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I’m not Gruber, and I don’t turn on a dime. Apple focused their efforts on what will work for the vast majority without chewing through battery or requiring a task manager. Only geeks who know how software works will see this as not good enough.

Oh, and I just released an update to Video for Everybody for iPad compatibility. And I didn‘t need Apple’s permission to do so. Rock on open ’Web.

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RE[3]: Wait, what?
by google_ninja on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait, what?"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

real geeks are people that dont want to buy a gadget if they can't install a full linux distro on it. Apples market are people who buy gadgets to do something specific, and focus on doing a really good job at that one thing.

As the previous owner of a smartphone that supported multitasking, it does kill battery life, and the 99% case is that i would end up killing all running apps every time I exited something. As a current iphone 3g owner, I can tell you that if you want to play a game and have a few safari tabs and mail running in the background, you probably will need to force quit those first.

I would love to see if multitasking would work on a nexus one with its dragonfly, but barring that, it is a terrible idea for mobile phones.

What apple is doing isn't real multitasking, its basically faking it. By faking it, you get some benefits, but the costs are minimal.

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RE[3]: Wait, what?
by Praxis on Thu 8th Apr 2010 19:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait, what?"
Praxis Member since:
2009-09-17

and what will you way when they provide "real" multitasking in the future"? let me guess, the definition of "real geeks" will be redifined to sync up with apple tune again ..


How about this, 'real geeks' want full root access to their phone with no artificial limitations on what it can do. Most people would never need root access of course but 'real geeks' want the ability to get it somehow. Thus they jailbreak and all that good stuff.

And I agree with Kroc that this version of multi-tasking will satisfy the vast majority of users needs on the iphone.

The iAd platform is the most interesting thing about this announcement to me. And I find many similarities between it and the iPad. In many ways the most revolutionary thing about them is the way apple was able to get publishers and content creators to follow Apple's vision in lock step. iAd doesn't introduce any new technology, something similar could be done currently on most any computer but it goes against conventional wisdom and now one did it, until Apple stepped in an said "Do this" To tell the truth I don't think it will make me click on any more adds than I already do (zero) but I can still see how advertisers will love it no that apple showed them how. Its similar in many ways to publishers love affair with the iPad, it was possible to create web apps very similar to the ones everyone has been drooling over in the app store for a while. But they never tried until apple told them to do so. This is certainly helped along by the fact that everyone using these devices has a modern standards based browser inside, no crappy ie holding everything back. But part of it is the Apple RDF convincing people to do things a certain way and then calling it revolutionary. I would not go that far, its the standards themselves that are revolutionary but it is certainly an accomplishment.

I do admire many things that apple has done, but then they turn around and do crap like patenting cover flow and being one of the biggest control freaks in the business. So its hard to like them completely. In fact this dual identity makes me dislike them more than a company that I don't care about at all. I think it would be better if Apple had someone to counter balance Steve Jobs with a more geeky outlook, since I believe some small accommodation could go a long way to rebuilding Apple's geek cred, but that will never happen at this point. Apple is going to keep following St. Jobs until he retires.

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RE[2]: Wait, what?
by Timmmm on Fri 9th Apr 2010 09:12 in reply to "RE: Wait, what?"
Timmmm Member since:
2006-07-25

It’s not real multitasking. It’s a freeze/unfreeze feature and a bunch of background daemons.


Which is *exactly* what Android does. If you want your app to do something in the background you have to start a service (daemon); it can be killed as soon as it is non visible.

Try this: Open shazam, start tagging some music. Before it is finished open a web browser, and do some other stuff. Now go back to shazam. You'll find that the tagging *didn't* happen in the background because the app was stopped/killed.

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