Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Apr 2010 16:55 UTC
Apple "After an unusually long wait, Apple has finally released updated models of its MacBook Pro line of notebooks. The 15" and 17" models offer the latest Core i5 and i7 processors, though the 13" model still uses a Core 2 Duo processor. But new processors aren't the only improvement; Apple has also seen fit to increase the base RAM configuration to 4GB on all models and bump the hard drive and SSD options. And Apple claims battery life has been improved, with some models now going as long as 10 hours without plugging in."
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Disappointing
by nathbeadle on Tue 13th Apr 2010 17:40 UTC
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2006-08-08

I find it quite disappoint that Apple brought the 13" in to the MacBook Pro line up... and then essentially shafts it from getting an i5 processor. I'm sure it's to entice people to buy a 15" laptop instead, but really... if it has the Pro name, give it the Pro game!

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RE: Disappointing
by tylerdurden on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:00 in reply to "Disappointing"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Some of you are professionals at finding something, anything, to complain about.

And if they had released an i5 13 incher, then you would be complaining how the battery life was poor, or it gets too hot, or the name does not sound good in a haiku, or...

Edited 2010-04-13 18:00 UTC

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by _txf_ on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:50 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
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2008-03-17

there is a cpu that is modern and far more power friendly which is the i3 simply due to the fact that it uses a smaller feature size than the c2d.

there are laptops with i3, just saw one on engadget today. With the mbp battery who knows how long it would last

Edited 2010-04-13 18:54 UTC

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RE: Disappointing
by Ford Prefect on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:23 in reply to "Disappointing"
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2006-01-16

If you have a closer look at the market you see that a customer would be lucky to find even a 15" with i5/i7 option from a competitor!

Actually, I don't know any, but I'm sure there must be one out there...

13" is not the size for a powerhorse laptop, it never was and it will probably never be. In larger models you have much better possibilities for cooling, bigger battery, etc.

It comes at a prize to stuff everything into a small form factor, and that prize is not only money!

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by AdamW on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:29 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
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2005-07-06

Never mind premium competitors, frickin' Asus makes a 13" system with a Core i-series CPU (i3-350M):

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/asus-u30jc-1a-review/

Sony, meanwhile, has had a 13" model out with Core i5 by default for a couple of months, the 2010 Vaio Z series. And it's substantially lighter than the 13" MBP, and outdoes it in a lot of other features. Granted it's substantially more expensive, but as the OP said, the point here is that if Apple's going to call it an MBP, it should have premium features (and, if necessary, a matching price tag). With the specs it has it's an entry to low midrange system pretending to be a premium system. Just call it a Macbook and be done with it.

Edited 2010-04-13 18:30 UTC

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RE: Disappointing
by bousozoku on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:25 in reply to "Disappointing"
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2006-01-23

I find it quite disappoint that Apple brought the 13" in to the MacBook Pro line up... and then essentially shafts it from getting an i5 processor. I'm sure it's to entice people to buy a 15" laptop instead, but really... if it has the Pro name, give it the Pro game!


After all the people who complained ad naseum that Apple had murdered their wonderful 12 inch PowerBook, the company finally put something together. Who knows whether those people actually bought any.

The 12 inch PowerBook was always the red-headed stepchild, as they say, getting the oldest or oddest technology. The 13.3 inch MacBook Pro follows and got supposedly Apple-only graphics hardware.

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RE: Disappointing
by computeruser on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:39 in reply to "Disappointing"
computeruser Member since:
2009-07-21

The 13" MacBook Pro was introduced last summer. Even before today, Apple didn't offer the fastest Core 2 Duo CPUs that they offered on the 15"/17" models - the 13" only uses the 25W TDP P-series CPUs, whereas the bigger models are offered with the faster 35W TDP CPUs.

Intel has 18W TDP i5/i7 at 1.07-1.20 GHz; these are probably too slow for Apple to consider. There are 25W TDP i7 CPUs at 2.00-2.13 GHz, but these might also be too slow for Apple to consider for the 13" model. And since these CPUs have integrated GPUs, they would need to add on an extra GPU. (Since they specifically upgraded the 13" MBP's GPU to one with three times the number of shaders, I'm guessing they don't want to put exclusively Intel integrated in the 13" MBP.)

I have a 13" MBP and like it quite a bit. It's about the same weight as a standard 14" Latitude, HP Compaq, and ThinkPad business notebooks, but comes with much better battery life. (Yes, you can get bigger/extra batteries for these laptops, but they add to the weight and often the size.) It also comes with a better GPU than the Intel integrated offered as standard in 14" business notebooks. (When 14" business notebooks are often offered with more powerful GPUs, they usually have reduced battery life over the integrated graphics version.)

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by AdamW on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:41 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
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2005-07-06

"There are 25W TDP i7 CPUs at 2.00-2.13 GHz, but these might also be too slow for Apple to consider for the 13" model."

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Those processors would out-perform the 2.4-2.66GHz C2D CPUs they *did* use.

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by AdamW on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:45 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

oh, and as noted in a useful anandtech comment thread:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2902/3

it's not entirely simple to make straight TDP comparisons from the Core 2 to Core i generations, as the i processor packages incorporate functionality that was separate in the 2 series.

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RE: Disappointing
by kaiwai on Wed 14th Apr 2010 04:57 in reply to "Disappointing"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I find it quite disappoint that Apple brought the 13" in to the MacBook Pro line up... and then essentially shafts it from getting an i5 processor. I'm sure it's to entice people to buy a 15" laptop instead, but really... if it has the Pro name, give it the Pro game!


To quote that wise hip-hop philosopher 'Public Enemy' - "don't believe the hype". The i series are only marginally better so if you already have the generation I have (2009) then this isn't an update targeted at you - it is targeted at those who owned the previous generation. Then again, who the hell upgrades every 6-9 months? buy the damn laptop, run it into the ground and then 2-3 years later, then upgrade. Good lord, no wonder the US is the debt capital of the world with frivolous money wasters like I see here.

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