Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:04 UTC
Internet Explorer I am almost flabbergasted by the spin and blunt-face upon which this news is delivered. We were just discussing the pot calling the kettle black with Apple / Adobe and now Microsoft have also come out in favour of a closed video format for an open web--IE9's HTML5 video support will allow H264 only. Update Now that the initial shock is over, I've rewritten the article to actually represent news rather than something on Twitter.
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RE: Comment
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:24 UTC in reply to "Comment"
modmans2ndcoming
Member since:
2005-11-09

hmm...

Firefox can support h264 all they want... they just need to use the host OS's h264 codec.

OS X, Windows and Linux all have h264 support so FF needs to suck it up and use the codec on the OS.

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RE[2]: Comment
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:26 in reply to "RE: Comment"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

OS X, Windows and Linux all have h264 support so FF needs to suck it up and use the codec on the OS.


Linux does NOT have H264 support - at least, not legally, and not out of the box. No major Linux distribution out there ships with H264 support because doing so would violate US (and possibly other countries') laws.

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by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment"
RE[3]: Comment
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Apr 2010 01:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"OS X, Windows and Linux all have h264 support so FF needs to suck it up and use the codec on the OS.
Linux does NOT have H264 support - at least, not legally, and not out of the box. No major Linux distribution out there ships with H264 support because doing so would violate US (and possibly other countries') laws. "

Just a minor nitpick ... my Linux machine does include a h264 decoder. It is embedded in the video card hardware.

Since I paid for the video card hardware, I therefore have a paid-for licenase, so my Linux machine does in fact include a legal, licensed h264 decoder. Out of the box. It is simply that this decoder was not shipped with the Linux distribution OS software, but rather it was shipped with the ATI graphics card hardware.

Now, if only ATI would release the specs for the API to this part of the graphics card hardware then I could actually use it (as I am entitled to do as a purchaser of an ATI graphics card) under Linux with the open source ATI driver.

Until everyone can use what they have legally purchased, h264 remains an unsuitable codec for video on the web. Other protocls used for the web (e.g. HTML, CSS, SVG, ECMAscript, DOM, et al) all meet the requirement that they be royalty-free. There is NO reason why the video codec used on the web should fail to meet this requirement also.

Edited 2010-04-30 02:03 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment
by WereCatf on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:53 in reply to "RE: Comment"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

OS X, Windows and Linux all have h264 support so FF needs to suck it up and use the codec on the OS.

Except that Linux doesn't have a license for H.264. As such it's still illegal in the US and anywhere where software patents are valid.

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Fluendo
by Xaero_Vincent on Fri 30th Apr 2010 00:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

The codecs provided by Fluendo give Linux users a legal option. I'll likely buy it.

http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/complete-set-of-playback-plugin...

However, I feel this can spell disaster for Firefox. Firefox cannot bundle the H.264 MPEG4 codec inside the browser due to patents but also because the GPL license.

Edited 2010-04-30 00:40 UTC

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