Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:04 UTC
Internet Explorer I am almost flabbergasted by the spin and blunt-face upon which this news is delivered. We were just discussing the pot calling the kettle black with Apple / Adobe and now Microsoft have also come out in favour of a closed video format for an open web--IE9's HTML5 video support will allow H264 only. Update Now that the initial shock is over, I've rewritten the article to actually represent news rather than something on Twitter.
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RE: 1-2 Punch
by google_ninja on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:25 UTC in reply to "1-2 Punch"
google_ninja
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2006-02-05

So they embraced H264, how did they extend or extinguish it?

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RE[2]: 1-2 Punch
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:27 in reply to "RE: 1-2 Punch"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

This is how it works...

1)Embrace Standards
2)????
3)Extinguish!

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RE[3]: 1-2 Punch
by tyrione on Fri 30th Apr 2010 02:02 in reply to "RE[2]: 1-2 Punch"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

This is how it works...

1)Embrace Standards
2)????
3)Extinguish!


You don't embrace and extinguish a broad consortium of your own partners.

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RE[2]: 1-2 Punch
by David on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:29 in reply to "RE: 1-2 Punch"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

(and no, I didn't put much thought into my comment)

But thinking about it now, I'm not talking about extending h264, I'm talking about the nascent HTML5 video utopia. They're embracing HTML 5 video by talking about how great it is, extending it by promoting the html5/h264 combo, and extinguishing the utopia by trying to forever tie the open html5 standard to the closed h264 pseudo-standard.

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RE[3]: 1-2 Punch
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:33 in reply to "RE[2]: 1-2 Punch"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

h264 is a real standard.

MS is as complicit as the W3C. so you are claiming the Web Standards Body is looking to kill HTML5 video.

The problem with Absolutism on a topic is that it does not fit right in the real world.

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RE[3]: 1-2 Punch
by google_ninja on Fri 30th Apr 2010 02:10 in reply to "RE[2]: 1-2 Punch"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Ok, so they embraced HTML5 video. They didn't extend any standard, that would be implementing the video tag by calling it ms-video or something stupid, and giving it a different javascript api then everyone else.

As for the codec, the w3c backed off specific codecs now for the spec, so its up to the implementors. Not only that, but what apple is doing is having a worse effect at this point - you can download chrome on windows which supports both, but if you are on an iDevice (which dominates the mobile web), it is h264 only.

If they had done something like implement the video tag with WMV only support, then I would probably agree with you, even though it still doesn't really fit.

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