Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 29th Apr 2010 23:04 UTC
Internet Explorer I am almost flabbergasted by the spin and blunt-face upon which this news is delivered. We were just discussing the pot calling the kettle black with Apple / Adobe and now Microsoft have also come out in favour of a closed video format for an open web--IE9's HTML5 video support will allow H264 only. Update Now that the initial shock is over, I've rewritten the article to actually represent news rather than something on Twitter.
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 30th Apr 2010 04:39 UTC
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2005-07-06

I must be the only person on this website who is delighted with such a move; first Microsoft announces support for HTML5, adds h264 support to Silverlight, and the icing on the cake of support h264 for the video tag. If this was Microsoft even 5 years ago they would have been pushing for some weird-ass proprietary format riddled up the wazoo with patents and a horrifying mess to ever try and implement. Theora fanboys (the same ones who demand it to be used and yet don't provide a DirectShow/QuickTime CODEC that can not only decompress but compress video) may scream and shout that their CODEC is losing the battle but the reality compared to where the internet was 10 years ago - it is an improvement.

As for Firefox, nothing has ever stopped them from tapping into QuickTime and DirectShow to provide CODEC support, just as for many years Linux users have been downloading and installing h264/mp3/wmv/etc gstreamer plugins without the slightest care regarding patents and thus alternative browsers on those platforms could easily just tap into gstreamer if they wish.

The reality is that the Theora advocates never dedicated the resources required; how many full time people work on Theora? thats right 2-3 if you're lucky. Call me back when you have 50 people working full time on it and are developing plugins for QuickTime/DirectShow, then I might remotely consider using it as a format because right now to do anything with the CODEC as so far as compressing video and audio is like pulling finger nails out.

Edited 2010-04-30 04:44 UTC

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by WorknMan on Fri 30th Apr 2010 07:11 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-11-13

If this was Microsoft even 5 years ago they would have been pushing for some weird-ass proprietary format riddled up the wazoo with patents and a horrifying mess to ever try and implement.


You mean, like Silverlight ? ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 30th Apr 2010 09:41 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

You mean, like Silverlight ? ;)


They aren't thrusting it upon the internet as the only solution; they are providing HTML5 and Silverlight; there are somethings that Silverlight are good; internal applications that need access to webcams, usb devices and so forth. Unlike Adobe who think that people should use Flash for every f-cking thing, no matter how stupid it is, Microsoft on the other hand realise that there are some situations that HTML5 is good whilst other situations where Silverlight is a more suitable contender.

Again, if this was Microsoft from 5 years ago they would have said, 'f-ck HTML5, Silverlight all the way" but they haven't. It irks some here that maybe Microsoft isn't the big bad boogyman they try to make it out to be.

Edited 2010-04-30 09:43 UTC

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Kroc on Fri 30th Apr 2010 07:17 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-11-10

Except that the reason Microsoft are allowing H264 _only_ is because it directly channels money into their back pocket through the MPEG-LA. It’s fraud, that’s the only way I can see it.

What if Google do release VP8 as free, how are they going to support IE9 users? With a plugin to install? We’ve gone right back to 2000 again.

Microsoft’s decision will affect every person who uses the web for the next 10 years. It will stifle innovation, keep the megacorops busy with lawsuits against small companies and individuals for an eternity and prevent all new types of business models from springing up around video.

YouTube would have _never_ taken off if they had to pay for every video that was being viewed. YouTube is now a cornerstone of the Internet. That is the kind of change Microsoft have just killed off. I’m sickened by their choice here.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by nt_jerkface on Fri 30th Apr 2010 09:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
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2009-08-26


What if Google do release VP8 as free, how are they going to support IE9 users? With a plugin to install? We’ve gone right back to 2000 again.

Microsoft’s decision will affect every person who uses the web for the next 10 years.


Decision to not include VP8? I thought the issue was Theora.

Who has the #1 video site and can push any codec? MS or Google?

Anyone else notice how long Chrome for Linux has been in Beta?

The FOSS crowd really needs to stop buying into Google's pillow talk.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 30th Apr 2010 09:37 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Except that the reason Microsoft are allowing H264 _only_ is because it directly channels money into their back pocket through the MPEG-LA. It’s fraud, that’s the only way I can see it.

What if Google do release VP8 as free, how are they going to support IE9 users? With a plugin to install? We’ve gone right back to 2000 again.

Microsoft’s decision will affect every person who uses the web for the next 10 years. It will stifle innovation, keep the megacorops busy with lawsuits against small companies and individuals for an eternity and prevent all new types of business models from springing up around video.

YouTube would have _never_ taken off if they had to pay for every video that was being viewed. YouTube is now a cornerstone of the Internet. That is the kind of change Microsoft have just killed off. I’m sickened by their choice here.


Assuming that VP8 is open sourced there is nothing stopping Google from creating a VP8 DirectShow and QuickTime plugins for Windows and Mac OS X respectively. The cold hard reality is that so far the Theora developers have refused to provide a CODEC for DirectShow and QuickTime that not only decodes but also encodes video using easy to use video encoding software. Tell me when I can go "save as' within QuickTime and then export it as a Theora video, then I might remotely give a flying continental about Theora.

Btw, it wouldn't be a browser plugin, it would be a plugin for DirectShow and QuickTime; if people can download and install Chrome, can download and install Flash, christ, if they can download and install any number of applications then I think they can download and install a 1MB CODEC.

Edited 2010-04-30 09:39 UTC

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