Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 3rd May 2010 22:04 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Remember how Mark Shuttleworth justified moving the window titlebar widgets to the left by claiming the space freed up on the right side could now be used for something else? On his blog, Shuttleworth unveiled what, exactly, Ubuntu's plans are: window indicators, or 'windicators'. In a nutshell, it comes down to having a tray area in every window.
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RE[2]: Pure Awesome
by Lamego on Thu 6th May 2010 23:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Pure Awesome"
Lamego
Member since:
2006-01-12


If the application already includes a volume control, why would you want another one stuffed into the top-right corner ... right next to the global volume control? If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

Because you want to change the application volume and not the system volume?
Program logos are already in the title bar, in the top-left corner. Have been for years.

We must been using different windows managers, I don't have any.
Client-side decorations will lead to all kinds of horribleness in UI-consistency. After all, what's the point of a window manager, if not to manage the windows? ;) Now you want all applications to be window managers as well?

People care about applications and how to interact with them, not about having a windows manager.

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RE[3]: Pure Awesome
by phoenix on Fri 7th May 2010 04:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Pure Awesome"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

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If the application already includes a volume control, why would you want another one stuffed into the top-right corner ... right next to the global volume control? If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

Because you want to change the application volume and not the system volume?
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Which is accessible via the system volume control.

"Program logos are already in the title bar, in the top-left corner. Have been for years.

We must been using different windows managers, I don't have any.
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Wow, that's sad. I honestly cannot remember a time when I didn't see the program logo/icon in the top-left of the window. Maybe it's time to look into different WMs? ;) KDE has had this for aeons.

"Client-side decorations will lead to all kinds of horribleness in UI-consistency. After all, what's the point of a window manager, if not to manage the windows? ;) Now you want all applications to be window managers as well?

People care about applications and how to interact with them, not about having a windows manager.
"

Yes, and it's the WM that makes that easy, intuitive, and consistent. Going from KDE to Windows shows just how bad things can be when the WM is short on features and everything is handled by the app (client).

Edited 2010-05-07 04:33 UTC

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RE[4]: Pure Awesome
by Lamego on Fri 7th May 2010 05:26 in reply to "RE[3]: Pure Awesome"
Lamego Member since:
2006-01-12

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Because you want to change the application volume and not the system volume?


Which is accessible via the system volume control.
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Not with a single click, and not with the awareness that the current active window is the application you want to change the sound for.

"We must been using different windows managers, I don't have any.

Wow, that's sad. I honestly cannot remember a time when I didn't see the program logo/icon in the top-left of the window. Maybe it's time to look into different WMs? ;) KDE has had this for aeons.
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Those window icons -where available- don't provide the horizontal space for drawing from a a title bar.


Yes, and it's the WM that makes that easy, intuitive, and consistent. Going from KDE to Windows shows just how bad things can be when the WM is short on features and everything is handled by the app (client).

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The WM does not enforce consistence across applications, a clear example is the differences between applications using different toolkits. The applications have the control for most of their interaction with the users and are responsible for consistence and proper interaction. If the developers which work on the applications don't care about providing a consistent behavior there is little or nothing to fix on the WM side, providing an API which is integrated with the WM and tracking that that API will be used in most applications is a good step to improve with consistence.

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