Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 12th May 2010 15:07 UTC
Games "Valve Corporation has today rolled out their Steam Mac OS X client to the general public and confirmed something we have been reporting for two years: the Steam content delivery platform and Source Engine are coming to Linux. This news is coming days after we discovered proof in Steam's Mac OS X Client of Linux support and subsequently found more Linux references and even the unreleased Steam Linux client. The day has finally come and Linux gamers around the world have a reason to rejoice, as this is the biggest news for the Linux gaming community that sees very few tier-one titles." This means Linux users can finally enjoy two of the best games in recent years: Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. BOOMER!
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Great Job Valve!
by kap1 on Wed 12th May 2010 15:41 UTC
kap1
Member since:
2006-05-12

Gaming is probably the last reason for many users to still use windows over linux.

Looks like 2010 could now be the year of Desktop Linux.

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by drstorm on Wed 12th May 2010 17:17 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
drstorm Member since:
2009-04-24

Looks like 2010 could now be the year of Desktop Linux.

I've heard that before. Only it was 2009, 2008, 2007... Good luck, though.

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RE[2]: Great Job Valve!
by cb88 on Wed 12th May 2010 17:45 in reply to "RE: Great Job Valve!"
cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

But this time is different... XD

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RE[2]: Great Job Valve!
by JAlexoid on Thu 13th May 2010 00:17 in reply to "RE: Great Job Valve!"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I've heard that before. Only it was 2009, 2008, 2007... Good luck, though.

This time there is a valid reason. I still have Windows exceptionally for games... And a lot of my non-tech friends find Ubuntu rather easy... especially in localization.

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RE[2]: Great Job Valve!
by WorknMan on Thu 13th May 2010 01:57 in reply to "RE: Great Job Valve!"
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2005-11-13

I've heard that before. Only it was 2009, 2008, 2007... Good luck, though.


I've heard that ever since the colored text install option in Slackware was considered to be a luxury item ;)

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RE[2]: Great Job Valve!
by google_ninja on Thu 13th May 2010 11:58 in reply to "RE: Great Job Valve!"
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2006-02-05

It was actually even more common around 1999, 2001, 2002. After 2005 or so, a lot of people realized how retarded it was for everyone to keep saying it every year, and there was a noticeable drop (only the truely clueless tech writers kept it up)

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by Tuishimi on Wed 12th May 2010 17:53 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

LOL! You know I never grow tired of that. ;) I don't know why, I should, but I find it very funny when people say that.

(And I am not being a jerk, I am serious. And I do think linux deserves and may someday achieve a much larger role on the desktop, if the desktop doesn't disappear before that time).

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by robojerk on Wed 12th May 2010 17:58 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
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2006-01-10

Looks like 2010 could now be the year of Desktop Linux.


I think year of the Linux Desktop will only happen if 99% of Windows/MacOS apps were also available on Linux and web apps worked regardless of what browser is being used.

Steam porting games to Linux is good step forward. A few years back (when the Pentium 4 first arrived) I was considering dropping XP for Linux but I was really into gaming and dual booting ate too much time. Things may have gone different if all my games were available on Linux.

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by Shannara on Wed 12th May 2010 18:06 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
Shannara Member since:
2005-07-06

Thats a funny joke.

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by wirespot on Thu 13th May 2010 07:12 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
wirespot Member since:
2006-06-21

Gaming is probably the last reason for many users to still use windows over linux.


Gaming is a poor metric for what people desire in a desktop. Not an irrelevant one, sure, but incomplete.

I've googled around for some figures and from what I can tell (2yr old results), in America about 40% of computer users play computer games BUT only 1 in 7 of these do so on the computer. The rest are on consoles. (Some figures go as far as 1 in 10.) That means that in America PC gamers are roughly 5% of PC users.

[Please note that by "gaming" I mean actual, fullscreen, "shrinkwrap" games which are played at least 4-10 hours a week, not Flash games or Solitaire etc. played casually. And that the above figures come from sales figures, so they don't account for piracy, which is obviously very hard to measure accurately.]

I would venture to say that in fact Linux does not, anymore, lack anything in particular to be actually useful to the average PC user. It has Open Office which covers the needs of most users, it has a very decent desktop offering (the actual experience, the design, the hardware support, the applications), it is more secure than Windows (yes, even 7).

The users who absolutely must have specialized software which is only available for Windows are borderline cases. Please note that I mean it in the sense of, for example, actual graphical designers who absolutely must have Photoshop on their home PC, not the casual user who pirates Photoshop, only uses 1% of its capabilities and can't be arsed to look for a legal alternative.

What Linux lacks is marketing. Apple and Microsoft spend megabucks in various types of media on maintaining awareness for their operating systems. Linux is reduced basically to word of mouth and perhaps seen as a "techie" term in specialized articles. The average non-geek person is hardly aware of its existence.

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RE[2]: Great Job Valve!
by google_ninja on Thu 13th May 2010 12:16 in reply to "RE: Great Job Valve!"
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2006-02-05

as of dec 2k9, world of warcraft had 11.5 million subscribers. A casual MMO player is probably 15-20 hours per week, and that is just one MMO (albeit, the biggest)

Linux marketing is totally there, it is just grassroots, which is actually way better then traditional marketing. A lot of people have asked me about it before, because some guy that was at a computer store/in a cafe/fixing their computer/at their work/ etc told them about it and that it was better then windows.

The problem is that its not enough to be "good enough", "as good", or "better". The problem is that only computer geeks actually enjoy learning how to use computers, normal people hate it, and have no problem paying the 130$ or so required for an OEM windows 7, if it means things work more or less the same as they are used to. They also will not use something different from everyone else, because they don't know (or want to know) enough about computers to make an informed choice. A lot of people also have a financial investment into windows, and probably won't want to just throw that away.

Lastly, people really are pretty happy with it. The way most people use their machines, it doesn't really matter what OS they use, windows does the job and they are used to it.

If you really want to be an evangelist, best thing to do is market to the kids and give the adults up as a lost cause. Kids don't buy software, they spend a LOT of time on computers, they are more willing (and better at) learning things about computers then adults, and they don't have to work at a job using windows. If you are successful, the landscape in the next 30-40 years will be different enough that most of the previous things wont apply anymore, and you won't actually be doing people a disservice by trying to push them on to something different.

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by spaceLem on Thu 13th May 2010 12:28 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
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2007-07-26

Looks like 2010 could now be the year of Desktop Linux.


2004 was the year of Desktop Linux for me, and has been ever since.

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by WereCatf on Thu 13th May 2010 14:56 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
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2006-02-15

Gaming is probably the last reason for many users to still use windows over linux.

Looks like 2010 could now be the year of Desktop Linux.


Even with Steam and several really good Valve games going Linux I still have to keep Windows for all the other games. I don't have a modern fusion-powered interdimensionally phased qubit-crunching PC and as such all the games I like to play run like crap under Wine :/

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RE[2]: Great Job Valve!
by spaceLem on Thu 13th May 2010 15:30 in reply to "RE: Great Job Valve!"
spaceLem Member since:
2007-07-26

Even with Steam and several really good Valve games going Linux I still have to keep Windows for all the other games. I don't have a modern fusion-powered interdimensionally phased qubit-crunching PC and as such all the games I like to play run like crap under Wine :/


I actually find that some older games, e.g. Thief 1 & 2, actually are more stable and play better under Linux/wine than under Windows; not sure why, maybe something to do with multiprocessor systems not playing nicely, but I couldn't solve the instability problems under Windows.

When I first moved to Linux, I used to play Quake 3 a lot, and it played as fast under Linux as it did under Windows. I kept Windows round for Steam, until the hard drive failed, and never bothered to replace it. I will admit there are a few games that I'm a little interested in, but if Steam is made available for Linux I'll be sorted.

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RE: Great Job Valve!
by Ultimatebadass on Thu 13th May 2010 16:26 in reply to "Great Job Valve!"
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2006-01-08

It's true that this is significant step forward for linux, but it still has a looooooong (like... from here to mars) way before it can be a viable desktop alternative for pc gamers, even the more "casual" ones.

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