Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 15th May 2010 19:23 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes There's one complaint we here at OSNews get thrown in our faces quite often: what's up with the lack of, you know, operating system news on OSNews? Why so much mobile phone news? Why so much talk of H264, HTML5, and Flash? Where's the juicy news on tomorrow's operating systems? Since it's weekend, I might as well explain why things are the way they are. Hint: it has nothing to do with a lack of willingness.
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Comment by fernandotcl
by fernandotcl on Sun 16th May 2010 04:46 UTC
fernandotcl
Member since:
2007-08-12

The fact that we've settled with a few platforms doesn't mean there's no innovation. Quite the contrary, actually. Heck, if you subscribe to any source of news like the LKML, the distro's planets, BSD blogs, etc., you'll have plenty to report on every day, more than ever.

This complaint about lack of inspiration in the OS field is very amateurish. Where are the reviews about interesting new stuff in the OSS world? Things you have broad access to. Let's name some of the most relevant recent technologies: systemd, GCD in FBSD, new filesystems (brtfs and friends), Debian kFreeBSD. Have you reviewed those technologies? Have you actually tested them? Benchmarked? Where's your article about those technologies? Aren't those things the very core of operating systems? Why do you chose to neglect those technologies?

I'm sick of this. All I see in this site is links to Ars Technica or some other tech site about interesting technologies. Like a damn news aggregator. The editorials suck. I find more technical insight in general computing news sites.

There are lengthy articles here. Lengthy articles about computer user interfaces. That's how deep your articles go. Fitt's law. Great. That's exactly what I look for when I type "operating system news" in Google.

The truth is, you as a team make no effort to bring high quality news, investigative articles about new technologies. You make a 5 part article about interface design but you can't make the effort to write a review of a technique that doesn't involve icons and widgets.

Long gone are the days when you installed an operating system and had a completely different experience. Nowadays we don't need to create things from scratch anymore, we can build on and optimize an existing base. All your experience with QNX and BeOS means nothing because reviews of operating system topics don't have anything to do with fancy icons anymore.

You think there are no longer news about operating systems because you don't know what an operating system is.

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RE: Comment by fernandotcl
by Nitrodist on Sun 16th May 2010 04:59 in reply to "Comment by fernandotcl"
Nitrodist Member since:
2010-04-09

Dear OSnews: I Have Some Concerns

The site I have come to know and like seems less and less interested in actual OS news.

I agree with much of fernandotcl has to say. Much the content on OSnews seems to come straight from Ars Technica or other tech sites I frequent. It does me no good to read them again here.

I wonder if the lack of OS news is due to the staff not having an interest in the lower level stuff. All the interesting development news gets passed over.

Edited 2010-05-16 05:02 UTC

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RE: Comment by fernandotcl
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 16th May 2010 09:35 in reply to "Comment by fernandotcl"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The truth is, you as a team make no effort to bring high quality news, investigative articles about new technologies.


There is no team. There is just me. That's the cold and harsh truth. I work my ass off trying to fill this site every day, and this is the kind of tone I can expect from people like you, who have never lifted a single goddamn finger to even submit a link?

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RE: Comment by fernandotcl
by vodoomoth on Sun 16th May 2010 17:04 in reply to "Comment by fernandotcl"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

The fact that we've settled with a few platforms doesn't mean there's no innovation. Quite the contrary, actually. Heck, if you subscribe to any source of news like the LKML, the distro's planets, BSD blogs, etc., you'll have plenty to report on every day, more than ever.

This complaint about lack of inspiration in the OS field is very amateurish. Where are the reviews about interesting new stuff in the OSS world? Things you have broad access to. Let's name some of the most relevant recent technologies: systemd, GCD in FBSD, new filesystems (brtfs and friends), Debian kFreeBSD. Have you reviewed those technologies? Have you actually tested them? Benchmarked? Where's your article about those technologies? Aren't those things the very core of operating systems? Why do you chose to neglect those technologies?

I'm sick of this. All I see in this site is links to Ars Technica or some other tech site about interesting technologies. Like a damn news aggregator. The editorials suck. I find more technical insight in general computing news sites.

There are lengthy articles here. Lengthy articles about computer user interfaces. That's how deep your articles go. Fitt's law. Great. That's exactly what I look for when I type "operating system news" in Google.

The truth is, you as a team make no effort to bring high quality news, investigative articles about new technologies. You make a 5 part article about interface design but you can't make the effort to write a review of a technique that doesn't involve icons and widgets.

Long gone are the days when you installed an operating system and had a completely different experience. Nowadays we don't need to create things from scratch anymore, we can build on and optimize an existing base. All your experience with QNX and BeOS means nothing because reviews of operating system topics don't have anything to do with fancy icons anymore.

You think there are no longer news about operating systems because you don't know what an operating system is.

This is just loathable derogatory talking. I don't know what dayjob Thom has, but I sure wouldn't have the time, as a volunteer, to do what he does. I'm a new comer to this site, not more than 4 months, and I didn't know of Kroc until the end of march with his "Solaris No Longer Free" article. Same thing about Eugenia with "Why Our Civilization's Video Art and Culture is Threatened by the MPEG-LA".

If you think that the people reporting news are so incompetent, what are you still doing on the site?

This is a news site. I stumbled upon it probably after a google search, I stayed mainly for ameliorating my English; the OS news, H264, patents, and all other things are added benefits. I am still wondering how Thom learned the language, and I've learnt much from the articles and the two podcasts I've listened to earlier today.

I am expecting a news site like OSNews to tell me what happens and link to the more detailed pages. I am not expecting the editors or contributors to install each software update or each OS, test it and say what you can and cannot do with it. Eugenia posted an article of that kind about Ubuntu, which prompted me to install it although I thought years ago that I would probably never install Linux again. It's fine that she did, but I wasn't expecting it.

I have seen the article about btrfs this week. I've also seen the article about systemd, the linked article by the guy developing it and the reply from the guy who maintains Upstart. I've read the article about scaraOS, which is even more niched than any other OS mentioned here because only it has only one developer and NO user. And I downloaded the source code, which IIRC uses git as version control. I've seen articles about BeRTOS and other OSes. There are news about smaller OSes. Not enough for the tastes of some but there are.

The question here is not that the editors aren't monitoring all OSes tidbits. If any reader has some news, he/she can either submit it or inform osnews, I guess there's a contact email. But people rarely do. Whining is so much easier. I accept it. But dragging others' work in the mud is unacceptable.

Sorry, but with that comment of yours, the only impression I can possibly have is that you sucked.

Good job Thom, Kroc, Eugenia, and all others that I don't know about yet. Not all that appears in my RSS Feeds under Opera is interesting to me, but I take what is or might be and I leave the rest.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I am still wondering how Thom learned the language


Being Dutch helps. Since no one in their right mind would learn Dutch (other than native speakers) we are forced to adapt. In The Netherlands, everyone starts learning Foreign at a very young age (I spoke my first relatively competent English when I was like 7 or 8). On top of that, contrary to e.g. the Germans or the French, we don't use voice-overs with content in Foreign; we use subtitles for everything.

And, well, I learnt English in school too - starting when I was 9 years old. In high school I learnt English, French, German, Latin, and Greek. That also helps.

To finish it all off - I study English and translation studies at university ;) .

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