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RE[4]: Why not just use built in decoders?
by lemur2 on Sun 16th May 2010 23:14
in reply to "RE[3]: Why not just use built in decoders?"
"Easier then (in Linux land, at least) to use the decoder embedded into the video card.
As far as I know there *is* no 'video decoder' embedded in video cards. There is dedicated signal processing hardware that does things video codecs need to do quickly (like DFTs, colour conversion etc.). But there's nothing that takes H.264 as an input and gives you raw video as an output. " Here are the specs for my video card:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-4000/...
ATI Avivo™ HD Video and Display Platform
2nd generation Unified Video Decoder (UVD 2)
Enabling hardware decode acceleration of H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2
2nd generation Unified Video Decoder (UVD 2)
Enabling hardware decode acceleration of H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2
There is also quite a long list of other functions related to hardware video acceleration, although these are not specific to h.624 I would think.
In any event, the video card hardware covers the patented functions of H.264. There can be no patents applicable to getting the video data stream in to and out from these hardware functions, because those processes are in no way novel or inventive.
Since I paid for the video card, I have an implied license to use all of the functions of the card listed in the specifications (link above), even if the OS that I run happens to be Linux.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_license
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaustion_doctrine
Therefore, I am licensed to use UVD 2 (which is described as a 2nd generation Unified Video Decoder enabling hardware decode acceleration of H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2) on my ATI card (even if I run Linux as my OS). Therefore, also, it is legal for Mozilla to ship an open source browser that used UVD 2 (if it was present) to decode h.264 videos.
Edited 2010-05-16 23:24 UTC
RE[5]: Why not just use built in decoders?
by steogede2 on Tue 18th May 2010 12:47
in reply to "RE[4]: Why not just use built in decoders?"
Here are the specs for my video card:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-4000/...
"ATI Avivo™ HD Video and Display Platform
2nd generation Unified Video Decoder (UVD 2)
Enabling hardware decode acceleration of H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2
There is also quite a long list of other functions related to hardware video acceleration, although these are not specific to h.624 I would think.
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Does Hardware Accelerated Decoding (or "hardware decode acceleration") === Hardware Decoding? I know that the terms are often used synonymously, but are they the same thing. Surely your graphics card still requires some software which understands h.264, to tell the GPU what to do.





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As far as I know there *is* no 'video decoder' embedded in video cards. There is dedicated signal processing hardware that does things video codecs need to do quickly (like DFTs, colour conversion etc.). But there's nothing that takes H.264 as an input and gives you raw video as an output.