Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th May 2010 15:44 UTC, submitted by Philipp Esselbach
Fedora Core It's Fedora release day! The Fedora project has pushed out version 13 of its cutting-edge Linux distribution. There's a whole boatload of improvements, some of which come from the wider Free software ecosystem, but of course, there's also a lot Fedora/Red Hat-specific stuff.
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I am a fan of fedora but..
by fithisux on Tue 25th May 2010 17:30 UTC
fithisux
Member since:
2006-01-22

"R has been upgraded to 2.10.1." but it is 2.11.0 already
"gcc has been upgraded from 4.4.2 to 4.4.3." -> but its 4.5.0 already
however Octave is the latest
gnumeric is 1.10.0 and I do not feel it will be updated to 1.10.4 .....
And finally no option to install GO-OpenOffice officially which feels faster.
however abiword is the latest.
It may sound ridiculous but Windows has the latest opensource apps packaged in many many cases. I do not like Windows but I rely on open source and though I manage to get way with compiling from source, many times it is not an option due to outdated libs.

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RE: I am a fan of fedora but..
by tylerdurden on Tue 25th May 2010 18:26 in reply to "I am a fan of fedora but.."
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

These distros are not about the latest repo version of the packages, but the latest STABLE version.

GCC 4.5 adds a lot of new stuff, it will take a short while before it is tested for stability and added to the stream.

You can install the testing branches of packages if you really do need to be in that bleeding of an edge. I assume.

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RE: I am a fan of fedora but..
by acobar on Tue 25th May 2010 18:49 in reply to "I am a fan of fedora but.."
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

May I ask you why you want to have the latest version always?

Usually, the reason distros stick to some version is because they are well tested, patched (lots of packages are) and new versions sometimes break things. I am using openSUSE factory (going to be 11.3). Love it but I will have to get out and buy a new video card, as there is no 3d accelerated driver from nvidia for my old FX 5200 (which I like because I don't play games on computers and, frankly, it is more than enough for my needs).

From the list you posted I used to rebuild octave but it seems they now package it in a very complete way (i.e. with all useful dependencies). I also prefer Go-OO.

Anyway, looks like a very good release. I will try it too.

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Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

Usually, the reason distros stick to some version is because they are well tested, patched (lots of packages are) and new versions sometimes break things.


And this applies to Fedora who pride themselves on being on the bleeding edge... how?

Sure they try to not include absolutely broken software, but they are all about new and shiny.

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RE: I am a fan of fedora but..
by joekiser on Tue 25th May 2010 18:57 in reply to "I am a fan of fedora but.."
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

Not official, but I created go-oo.repo in /etc/yum.repos.d

[go-oo]
name=go-oo
baseurl=http://go-oo.mirrorbrain.org/stable/linux-x86_64/
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0

And then blacklist the original OpenOffice.org in fedora.repo and fedora-updates.repo and then installed it.

Fedora 13 is a good release so far, I just migrated from Arch Linux this weekend.

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RE: I am a fan of fedora but..
by decker on Tue 25th May 2010 19:11 in reply to "I am a fan of fedora but.."
decker Member since:
2005-09-14

Seriously? You're complaining about it not having gcc 4.5 which was just released 1 month ago? R 2.11.0 which was released just a month ago? Gnumeric 1.10.4 which was this month? Bah. At some point a distro needs to ship. If Fedora followed your advice then they'd never ship a product. They'd be stuck updating and testing packages till eternity because I guarantee a new version of something in fedora will come out this week and the next week and the week after ad infinitum.

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RE: I am a fan of fedora but..
by Oliver on Tue 25th May 2010 19:22 in reply to "I am a fan of fedora but.."
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Do you really work with that stuff in a productive environment? Or do you just count numbers?

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RE: I am a fan of fedora but..
by unoengborg on Tue 25th May 2010 20:37 in reply to "I am a fan of fedora but.."
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

Seriously if you really need the latest, you could download the SRPMS and set up some script that makes nightly builds from subversion or something, but then you should probably create some kind of test suite, that tests you system before it upgrades.

Just because the developer have shipped a later release doesn't always mean that it is well tested by somebody else than the developers. You could argue that developers should test their own code, and they should, but the problem is that you tend to get blind to your own errors, so to be well tested a program should really be tested by somebody with a users perspective rather than a developers perspective.

This is one of the reasons it takes some time to assmble a linux distro. Even though Fedora is supposed to be bleeding edge, there need to be some form of QA for it to be usable, even for less mission critical things

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

This is why there is rawhide. A bleeding edge version of a bleeding edge distro.

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