Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2010 11:39 UTC, submitted by Amix
Morphos And the MorphOS team continues to expand their hardware support. They released MorphOS version 2.5 today, which adds support for Apple's eMac computers (the 1.25Ghz models, the 1.42 models have not yet been tested). Of course, there's also a whole load of fixes and improvements, too.
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Kroc
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2005-11-10

*sigh* You're not quite understanding. Don't over react. Copy/paste is just an example where the computer changes state in a non-obvious way. It's obvious to you and I because we understand what is happening; but a computer beginner could not understand that there is such a thing as the "clipboard" when it is never mentioned in the UI. Have you ever asked yourself how come you know it's called the clipboard?

I remember clearly the first time I ever came across cut / copy / paste. It was 14 years ago and I was using Microsoft Draw on Windows 3.1 and I was playing with making shapes and looking through the menus where I found cut / copy / paste. I assumed that these functions were for drawing markings for where one would physically cut and glue the paper on your printout. You can laugh all you want, but you have _all_ done this at some point with computers, where you made some assumption that wasn't true because the computer's intentions were not obvious.

UI is hard. Don't take your privileged position to be neither common, nor the absolute truth--because when we're old, we're going to be coming across lots of new UI that the kids think is plain obvious but makes no sense to our desktop-orientated upbringing.

edit: typo

Edited 2010-06-05 09:58 UTC

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AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

If it's any help I'm not quite understanding either. You appear to be saying you don't like 'alternative' OS because they do thing differently and you don't like change and you don't like many of the existing mainstream ways of doing it because they're dumb, I think.

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Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

*sigh* You're not quite understanding. Don't over react. Copy/paste is just an example where the computer changes state in a non-obvious way. It's obvious to you and I because we understand what is happening; but a computer beginner could not understand that there is such a thing as the "clipboard" when it is never mentioned in the UI.


OK... This is a point, but we can't make computer aimed at all kind of people, even the more stupid people.

If people just can't underastand the concept of clipboard, then computers are not for them.

Oscar Wilde once said that is not possible to build a machine fool-proof, because fools always find the method to broke it, or make it not-functioning.

This is the same for User Interfaces.

You will find always and always dozillions people that will be unable to understand how it works.
So it is better to let it be "as is", and to take a life instead of worrying about it and loose your health due to it.


Have you ever asked yourself how come you know it's called the clipboard?


It made no importance to me. I just discovered it, I found it was quite good, and I start using it.

As english is not my native language, then I found the term "clipboard" strange. Then I discovered the real thing, and I thought it was very funny that the inventors use the same term as in a real clip-board attached to a wall.


I remember clearly the first time I ever came across cut / copy / paste. It was 14 years ago and I was using Microsoft Draw on Windows 3.1 and I was playing with making shapes and looking through the menus where I found cut / copy / paste. I assumed that these functions were for drawing markings for where one would physically cut and glue the paper on your printout. You can laugh all you want, but you have _all_ done this at some point with computers, where you made some assumption that wasn't true because the computer's intentions were not obvious.


I not laugh at all... But I think you were victim of misunderstanding and false assumptions, and you are just acculturated to a certain sequence of actions.

Sure you are searching to re-create in MorphOS your usual "Look & Feel" that pleased your sense of taste (born from your previous OS user experience) and you were unable to re-create it.

That's all.

I know that is not the user who must accomplish the OS, but the OS that should be as much as customizable, to give the user a confortable place to stay.
But sure I think that you had not explored Magic User Interface of MorphOS in its deep.

MUI it is capable to be completely customizable (no kidding) by the user, and give a very good feedback, if only you try to explore and learn how it works.

Do you remember the fact that in MS-DOS age, hundreds of thousand people were stuck and uncapable to react when they saw the message:

"Press any key to continue."

???

They were just searching desperately when on the keyboard was located the key named "ANY"

It is normal to misunderstand, got freeze-surprised or get stuck, either on new and on ancient User Interfaces.

But then computers once were made to let people explore it and learn from their errors.
I am sure that after a certain times of "try and repeat", (trial and error and retry) you had learned how to use correctly Copy and Paste of Microsoft Draw of Windows 3.1.

[By the way. How many millions people do you think they know the existence in Windows of clipbrd.exe command hidden in its System32 guts?
It is a very useful command showing textually and graphically the content of the clipboard.
I wonder why Microsoft usually tells none about it in user manuals.]

Now it is my turn to make you an example:

The first time I used a computer, my teacher said. You can do evreything. You can even delete files. The computer will not die for this, and you can restore the operating System again if you delete something important.

Well. Nowadays on Modern operating Systems if you click on system files, it is easy to corrupt the Operating System, itself, connecting Internet with no defense, or feeze the machine.

Amiga has preserved this feature of being still an Operating System when you can try, fail and retry, because it gives you the opportunity of manipulate everything on the installed system with few chances to freeze all.


UI is hard. Don't take your privileged position to be neither common, nor the absolute truth--because when we're old, we're going to be coming across lots of new UI that the kids think is plain obvious but makes no sense to our desktop-orientated upbringing. edit: typo


This is not absolute truth, and in studying User Interfaces it is hard to create the perfect UI, that will match the whole userbase.

There will be always people that will not understand.

For Example. The Button "START" of Windows XP Desktop.

With Windows Vista and Windows 7, Microsoft removed the label "START" because literaly tenth and tenth of millions people were unable to understand or they just find odd the fact that that to stop the computer they had to press "Start" even to switch off.

(computers are used by milliards people nowadays, not just the people that were stuck with "Any" key)

What is the "morale" teaching of this story?

That for us Amigans it is better to continue with our own interface, aimed just at smart people who does not care of oddity, and to curious people who want to explore the computer and its feature.

Only if there is something really bad, or really misunderstanding into AmigaOS or MorphOS systems, then it is necessary to modify it, and create something intelligible for all.

Edited 2010-06-05 23:51 UTC

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