Linked by lopisaur on Fri 25th Jun 2010 22:21 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Based upon a recent email to the X.Org developers' mailing list, Canonical is nearing the point of one of their goals for Ubuntu 10.10 of a rootless X Server, or being able to run the X.Org Server without root privileges.
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RE[3]: Big deal...
by phoenix on Sat 26th Jun 2010 19:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Big deal..."
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

"Xorg is one of the best piece of technology available in Linux.

As a former Linux user, I find this insulting for my previous OS of choice. There is great tech in the Linux world, sure : JACK, networkmanager, udev, APT...
"

Well, out of that list, really only JACK and apt are noteworthy. The rest are just kludges on top of missing kernel features. Other OSes have better solutions that Linux is still catching up with.

But X.org is *not* among them.


X11 most definitely *is* one of the greatest pieces of OSS available for Unix-like systems.

It's slow,


Define slow.

it kills all apps when it crashes,


Yes, that is an issue.

its standard widgets (Motif) haven't been updated for ages,


Do any modern apps still use Motif?

leading to appearance of a bunch of incompatible toolkits...


And how is this any different from Windows or MacOS X??

And let's not consider the time it took to get mouse hot-plugging working.


Mouse hot-plugging in X11 has worked on non-Linux OSes for many many many years (FreeBSD has had moused (/dev/sysmouse) support since the early 3.x days, for example). Don't blame X11 for a shortcoming of Linux.

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RE[4]: Big deal...
by Zifre on Sun 27th Jun 2010 01:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Big deal..."
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

Mouse hot-plugging in X11 has worked on non-Linux OSes for many many many years (FreeBSD has had moused (/dev/sysmouse) support since the early 3.x days, for example). Don't blame X11 for a shortcoming of Linux.

I don't know how long FreeBSD or Linux has supported it, but I know that I've been hotplugging USB mice since I started using Ubuntu four years ago. FreeBSD may have supported it earlier, but it's not like Linux got support yesterday...

For some reason, you really seem to have a strong anti-Linux agenda. Whenever anyone points out some problem with anything, you immediately attribute it to a shortcoming of Linux, and point out how FreeBSD has done that right for years. I'm sure you're sometimes correct. FreeBSD is awesome (I just use Linux because it's given me less hardware problems). Just try not to be a fanboi.

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RE[5]: Big deal...
by zlynx on Mon 28th Jun 2010 05:37 in reply to "RE[4]: Big deal..."
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

The kernel device /dev/mice has worked since at least 2001 and maybe earlier. This device takes the input from all mice and presents it as a Microsoft Explorer PS/2 protocol.

If you or your distro set X to use /dev/mice then hotplugging any number of mice worked flawlessly.

The only exceptions were special devices like the Space Orb, multi-ball trackballs, mice with more than 7 buttons, etc.

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